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EOTECH 512 Holographic Weapon Sight
      #377669 - 30/06/23 03:44 AM



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EOTECH 512 Holographic Weapon Sight
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Style: 512.A65
Brand EOTECH
Color Black
Style 512.A65
Item Dimensions LxWxH 8 x 6.5 x 3.5 inches
Sport Hunting
Item Weight 309 Grams
Material Aluminum
Magnification Maximum 1
Magnification Minimum 1
Compatible Devices Weaver
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About this item
EOTECH 512.A65 - Holographic Weapon Sight in black with 68 MOA ring & 1 MOA dot reticle
Mount - Compatible with both 1" Weaver and MIL-STD 1913 Rails
Adjustable Brightness - The 512 has 20 brightness settings for use in any lighting scenario
Water Resistant - The 512 is water resistant to 10 feet (3m)
EOTECH HWS Prestige Warranty - Comes with a 10 year limited warranty

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A65, Scope & Optics Holographic Red Dot Weapon Sight 65 MOA Ring Reticle Red. EoTech's Holographic Weapons Sights have proven effective for fighter pilots, military and police units.
This revolutionary technology is renowned for its precision and ability to function in harsh conditions. Waterproof, submersible to 10 ft. Mounts to Picatinny rail with return-to-zero after remounting. Run time is up to 1,000 continuous hours on lithium batteries, 600 hours with two AA batteries (not included).

5"L x 1.8"W x 2.25H. + Proven effective by military and police units.

+ Function in harsh conditions. A65, Holographic Red Dot Weapon Sight 65 MOA Ring Reticle" is in sale since Wednesday, November 20, 2019.

This item is in the category "Sporting Goods\Hunting\Scopes, Optics & Lasers\Red Dot & Laser Scopes". The seller is "huntersbargainwarehouse" and is located in Middletown, Delaware. This item can be shipped to United States.
Type: Holographic Model: A65 Reticle Color: Red MPN: 512.





Product Description
Perfect for anyone who wants fast target acquisition, reliability and durability without night vision capability, the Model 512 is the most popular EOTECH HWS in the line.

Specifications:
Dimension: 5.6" X 2.0" X 2.5"
Weight: 11.5oz
Water Resistant: 10ft (3m)
Color: BLACK
Mount: Fits both 1" Weaver and Mil-STD -1913 Rail
Brightness: 20 Settings
Power Source: 2 x AA Batteries
Battery Life: up to 2500 continuous hours (lithium) or 2200 continuous hours (alkaline) at nominal setting 12
Reticle: 68 MOA ring with 1 MOA dot
Night Vision Compatible: NO

Product information
Technical Details
Brand ‎EOTECH
Color ‎Black
Style ‎512.A65
Item Dimensions LxWxH ‎8 x 6.5 x 3.5 inches
Sport ‎Hunting
Item Weight ‎309 Grams
Material ‎Aluminum
Magnification Maximum ‎1
Magnification Minimum ‎1
Compatible Devices ‎Weaver
Mounting Type ‎Weaver Mount
Night vision ‎Yes
Item Package Dimensions L x W x H ‎7.5 x 6.7 x 3.5 inches
Package Weight ‎0.59 Kilograms
Brand Name ‎EOTECH
Country of Origin ‎United States
Warranty Description ‎See manufacturer
Model Name ‎512.A65
Suggested Users ‎unisex-adult
Number of Items ‎1
Manufacturer ‎EOTECH
Part Number ‎512.A65
Model Year ‎2018
Included Components ‎512.A65 Sight Tactical w/2 Dot Standard Reticle
Size ‎Length: 5.60"
Additional Information
ASIN B000KKFVRC
Customer Reviews 4.8 4.8 out of 5 stars 1,241 ratings
4.8 out of 5 stars
Best Sellers Rank #95,398 in Sports & Outdoors (See Top 100 in Sports & Outdoors)
#308 in Gun Sights
Date First Available July 9, 2004
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512 518 552 558
Night Vision Capability No No Yes Yes
Side Button Operation No Yes No Yes
Weight 11.5oz 13.8oz 11.5oz 13.8oz
Water Resistance 10ft 10ft 33ft 33ft
Mount 1" Weaver 1" Weaver + Quick Detach Lever 1" Weaver 1" Weaver + Quick Detach Lever



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Re: EOTECH 512 Holographic Weapon Sight [Re: NitroX]
      #377670 - 30/06/23 03:51 AM

68 MOA Outer ring, 1 MOA Dot.

I wonder if it stars for me?

The 1 MOA dot would be great for accuracy. The 68 moa ring would make tiny dog easier to find. Maybe be good for the shotgun barrel?

But why always a dot? And not a triange or cross?

Two models are QD.


I think the enotech has been mentioned before on the forums.

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Complete Guide to AR-15 Red Dot Sights [Re: NitroX]
      #377673 - 30/06/23 04:07 AM

https://caligunner.com/complete-guide-to-ar-15-red-dot-sights/

Complete Guide to AR-15 Red Dot Sights
In Guide by Jim
Types of Red Dot Sights
Red dot sights are a general term to describe any type of optic that uses a dot (typically from a red LED) to establish an aiming point. Of course, the color can vary as well as the aimpoint symbol (reticle), so instead of a red dot, it can be a green dot or even a crosshair to provide an aimpoint for the shooter.

In simple terms there three major categories of Red Dot Sights:

Reflex Sights (which have two sub-categories)
Exposed Reflex
Tube Style Reflex
Prism Sights
Holographic Sights
1. Reflex Sights

Reflex sights are the most common and least expensive category of red dot sights. They are called reflex sights since they use a reflection of a dot or some type of aimpoint on a lens that the shooter looks through to aim. They are typically non-magnified and will either be exposed, also known as windows (single lens), or inside a tubular housing (typically multiple lenses).

Exposed Reflex Sights
The square, exposed red dot sights (like the Burris Fast Fire above) offer a wider field of view for most shooters. Using the two eye aiming method, there is simply less to interfere with your vision. These open sights are often less bulk and often lighter.

Tube-Style Reflex Sights

The benefits of the tube-style (like the Vortex Sparc 2 above) is a more durable, and protected optic. Tube sights are often capable of suffering more abuse than an open sight and are often more waterproof. The tube design, for the most part, is not heavy, but tube styles are often heavier than comparable open sights.

Both the exposed and tube style reflex sight generally use batteries to provide the dot, although sometimes the tube style reflex may use tritium, a beta-emitting radioactive isotope of hydrogen that emits light. Don’t worry, it’s safe!

Reflex Sight Pros and Cons
Unlimited Eye Relief

Unlike other sights, non-magnified reflex red dots have unlimited eye relief. This means there is no set distance you need to have your eye from the sight. Other types of optics require your eye to be a set distance whenever you intend to use it.

Parallax Free
Reflex red dots are nearly parallax free, this means when you move your head around, the red dot moves with you so you’re still pointed at the same spot. This is really nice and allows you to keep both eyes open while using the weapon making it easier to acquire your target. This is unlike other optics that require your face to be a specific distance from the optics every time you shoot to have accurate results.

Cost
Reflex sights are generally less expensive than other types of red do sights. Like most things, depending on your budget you pay a lot or a little. See my recommendations at the bottom based on your budget.

Magnification
Reflex sights are typically non-magnified making them better suited for close range shooting, often 100 yards or less.

However, you can try to have the best of both worlds by using a flip-to-side magnifier that goes behind your red dot. This allows you to quickly flip up the magnifier when you want to take a long-range shot and then flip it out of the way for close range shots.


VORTEX OPTICS VMX-3T MAGNIFIER

Another option is to mount a red dot reflex sight on top of your scope allowing you to switch between the two depending on the distance of your shot.

2. Prism Sights


Prism sights (like this Vortex Spitfire 3x) are typically a short tube style optic with low levels of magnification making them better for longer range shooting compared to non-magnified reflex sights.

Rather than using a series of lenses like a traditional rifle scope, a prism sight uses a prism to focus the image you see down the sight making them smaller than the traditional rifle scope. Prism sights are ideal for the average target shooter or distance shooter.

Prism Sights Pros and Cons

Magnification
As stated, one of the nice features of prism scopes is that they are typically magnified making it easier to hit your target further down range. They are also available with illuminated or etched reticles adding to the experience of shooting your AR.

Short Eye Relief
The biggest issue with prism sights is that they have shorter eye-relief, which means that your eye has to be closer to the optic to have a proper sight picture, just like a traditional rifle scope. This short eye-relief can make it difficult to reacquire your target.

Cost
Prism sights are somewhat more expensive than reflex sights, however, the prices are consistently dropping as time goes on making them an affordable option.

3. Holographic Sights

Holographic sights (like this EOTech 512.A65) are not as common as reflex sights or prism sights typically due to the higher price tag. They are similar to exposed reflex sights in what they offer for field of view and target acquisition only better in quality.

A holographic sight uses a picture of a reticle that is in between glass layers that allows the shooter to look through a glass window and see a holographic reticle superimposed at a distance. The hologram of the reticle is built into the window and is illuminated by a laser.



This is similar to the technology that fighter pilots use for target acquisition. It creates an accurate image of a target even in poor-visibility conditions like rain, snow, darkness or cloud cover.

Holographic Sights Pros and Cons
Peripheral Vision and Target Acquisition
One of the biggest benefits of this type of sight is the ability to maintain your peripheral vision while shooting, because of this you ideally want to mount an EOTech toward the front of your receiver. Mounting it to close to the back of the receiver will prohibit you from having this large advantage.

The heads-up display of a holographic sight allows the shooter to keep both eyes open while shooting. This eliminates blind spots and tunnel vision.

Accuracy & Quality
There’s a reason that EOTech holographic sights are so popular with the United States military. EOTech sights are very precise and will allow for more accurate shooting over long distance. Typically the reticle dots in EOTech sights are 1MOA which means that at 200 yards the dot is going to take up 2 inches on the actual target.

Cost

Most holographic sights will be several times more expensive than a good quality reflex sight, although the prices have dropped a lot over the years. In the end, you’re paying for reliability, a clearer dot, better weather resistance, and better shock resistance.

Important Considerations When Buying A Red Dot Sight
Recoil and Caliber Specific Optics

Even though red dot optics are actually simple devices, it is still important to consider what weapon and what caliber that weapon is when selecting your optics. Some red dots feature marked reticles for specific calibers which means if you are running an AR-15 in 458 SOCOM, know that a sight with reticle marks for rifles running 5.56 will not be accurate.

A problem that may be encountered with small budget red dots is recoil. If you are using a weapon that has more recoil than the optic is rated for you may have problems with the sight holding your zero. There are many cheap red dots available under a $100 that have mixed reviews. You may get lucky with one of these or maybe you won’t. I prefer to buy once and cry once.

Battery Life
Battery considerations come down to two main issues. types of battery, and battery life. With some many red dots available, and made by different manufacturers, those batteries vary wildly between companies. As a shooter, you should examine any other electronics mounted to your rifle and attempt to consolidate to a single battery source.

Another issue is battery availability, some sights use weird and difficult to acquire batteries.

Reticle Size
Most red dots are measured in MOA, or minute angle. A 1 MOA red dot is 1 inch in diameter when aiming at something 100 yards away, 2 inches at 200 yards, 3 inches at 300 yards, and so on and so forth. Red dots are available with 1 MOA dots like on the center of an EOTech or much, much larger.


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It makes sense that a smaller reticle is better for placing precise shots at longer distances. The dot will cover less of your target making it much easier to pick your aimpoint. The downside is that a small dot is less ‘eye-catching’, and more difficult to see. This is especially true in areas with extremely bright daylight although many higher quality models allow you to adjust the brightness.

Red Dot Sights and Astigmatism
Maybe you purchased your first red dot sight and notice your dot is blurry or star-shaped. You may have an inexpensive or defective optic, however most cases this occurs due to the shooter having an astigmatism.


IF YOU HAVE AN ASTIGMATISM THERE ARE A FEW THINGS TO TRY TO IMPROVE THE BLURRY DOT YOU ARE SEEING.

An astigmatism causes light to refract to multiple focal points in your eye, so it is possible to reduce blurriness or irregularly shaped dot by reducing the amount of light going into your eye from the red dot.

Here are some options that may consider:

Reduce the brightness setting on your red dot
Focus on the point of impact on your target rather than the red dot
Use the peep on your backup iron site and red dot at the same time
Wear polarized sunglasses
If none of these options improve your dot shape and blurriness, you may want to consider a prism or holographic sight mentioned above since many shooters with astigmatisms report better results than with using reflex sights.

Price
Everyone comes to the market with a different budget. What you desire in your sight and how much you can afford will largely determine which optic you go with. Below are several great starting points based on different price ranges, check the reviews for yourself.

Best AR-15 Red Dot Sights for the Money: $50 to $500
Best Budget Red Dot Under $100: Bushnell TRS-25



Best Red Dot Under $200: Vortex Optics Sparc AR Red Dot



Best Red Dot Under $300: Vortex Sparc AR 2 *Editors Pick*



Best Red Dot Under $400: EOTECH 512.A65 Tactical HOLOgraphic

Best Red Dot Under $500: Aimpoint PRO

Why Use a Red Dot Sight Over a Scope?

All weapons should be looked at as tools for specific jobs which means you need to have a goal or purpose when outfitting your AR. If you are looking to ring steel targets at 1000 yards, a red dot sight is not the tool you want or need.

Most red dots are 1x magnification making them ideal for shorter distances, although this mainly depends on the shooter. One of the main reasons you would select a red dot sight for your AR-15 is speed and quick target acquisition. If you want to pop off a lot of rounds quickly and accurately, a red dot sight is a way to go.

Lastly, a red dot sight will typically weigh less than a scope and will be far easier to acquire your target without dealing with eye relief.

Conclusion
One of the best ways to simplify your shooting experience while making it far more enjoyable and rewarding is using a red dot sight. Maybe you are a new shooter that just thinks they look cool (and you’d be correct) but don’t know where to start, or maybe you are a longtime shooter looking for other options and information, I hope this has been helpful!

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Holosun 507c X2 ACSS Vulcan Review [Re: NitroX]
      #377676 - 30/06/23 05:11 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZH-NnDxD6k

Holosun 507c X2 ACSS Vulcan Review

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Feul-x24Y4c

Holosun HS507C | ACSS Vulcan Reticle

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xtYzTsMCb5A

Holosun 507c X2 ACSS Vulcan Red Dot Review FOLLOW UP - How does the red dot look on a rifle or SBR?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qxLFng-ZMHo

Holosun 507c X2 ACSS Vulcan Red Dot Review

This last one is NOT the ACSS Vulcan V Red dot.

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Re: Holosun 507c X2 ACSS Vulcan Review [Re: NitroX]
      #377677 - 30/06/23 05:20 AM

https://www.opticsplanet.com/holosun-hs507c-x2-red-dot-sights.html

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Seen it asked if it comes with a picatinny mount and been answered yes but description says no mount included. HS507C-X2-ACSS clarification please.
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This will not include a low profile Picatinny mount.

by Patrick, Gear Expert, October 6, 2021
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Will this work with the Sig P320 AXG Scorpion?
Expert Answer
It will not fit without an adapter. The P320 AXG Scorpion is machined to accept a Romeo1 PRO or Leupold Delta Point PRO. To install an RMR-pattern red dot like the Holosun 407/507 models requires an adapter that changes the mounting pattern of your slide.

by Armando R., Gear Expert, March 4, 2021
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Excellent Optic
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I was skeptical about putting a miniature red dot sight(MRDS) on my handguns when they first came out. The process and price at the time seemed like a hassle. These days however its easy to find a milled slide or a local gunsmith who can mill your ...
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the original 507c was a great option added to the pistol mounted RDS market. the X2 version provides the updates end users wanted: subdued logo/finish side access battery means you dont need to remove the sight to replace the battery Everything e...
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Holosun is awesome
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Shame on Trijicon for suing Holosun. They make an overall better product at a lower price. Shake awake, auto dim, "forever" battery life, side door for battery replacement. It is a great reflex sight at a reasonable price.
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Great Optic.......When it works
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I wanted to give this a good test before I reviewed the sight. I am going to make a very long and frustrating process short. I ordered a 507c, and had it about 3 months. Put about 5-7 hundred rounds through my custom Glock 17 and the center dot went ...
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Re: Holosun 507c X2 ACSS Vulcan Review [Re: NitroX]
      #377678 - 30/06/23 05:45 AM

Excellent if it can be fitted.

V chevron 10 moa or a 2 moa dog, both inside a 32 moa circle.

Battery can be replaced without removing site.

Shake start up.

Solar backup.

The tip of the A / V can be used as a precise aiming point. As mentioned in the videos for handguns used for a 100 yard target at the bottom of the V. Same for a rifle.

The 32 moa circle allows quicker firearm alignment. Also quicker acquisition of the 2 moa dot or large 10 moa V. The large 10 moa V should be able to be very quickly seen. Unlike a 1 moa tiny dot.

A 32 moa circle is 32 inches at 100 yards. A bit over 2 1/2 feet. 64 inches at 200 yards, 5 feet. At 50 yards 16 inches, 1 1/3 feet. At 25 yards 8 inches, 2/3 of a foot.

For a shotgun barrel imo a useful circle say to 50 yards. Shorter ranges, very useful.

The 10 moa V. If the point of the V is clear, very good accuracy should be possible. 10 inches at 100 yards. 20 inches at 200 yards. At 50 yards 5 inches. Should be very easy to see quickly.

If it works better than open sights, a plus.


A key question. Will the V be starry for me like dots can be?

Which would be better:
1. 10 moa V inside a 32 moa circle; or
2. 2 moa dot inside a 32 moa circle?

Probably dependent on whether the dot is starry or clear? Whether the V is clear or starry. If both are starry, the dot is better.

The tiny 2 moa dot is far improved by the 32 moa circle.

Need to try them out!

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