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Coues Deer Hunt
      #3028 - 29/05/03 04:21 AM

Hi,
I wanted to contribute to the site since I havent posted anything in some time. I am no hand at writing so please excuse my mistakes.

Ok, here goes;

I on several occasions have taken a few animals in front of an audience. Either in front of other hunters, hikers or above or not far from camps that either haven’t woke up or they called it a day a bit early. Whether it is by design or just pure accident, I can’t really say. This is one such incident.
Back in the mid 90's I owned a 76 international scout. It was a great machine, went anywhere, did whatever I put it into, but it had a quirk. No matter the situation or the weather it would vapor lock, usually at the most troublesome moment. I changed every fuel line I could find and everything else one could think of to fix it, but never did.
I was going to hunt a particularly nasty bowl this one season. You know the type of place, thick, nasty and straight up and down. I had been in this nasty place many times over the years, always seeing the flag end of deer or just bits and pieces of them. This time I had made up my mind that I was going to get it right, the timing that is.
I knew opening morning that there would be several camps on the road I needed to go in on, but I also knew that few if any would go past the nastiest part of it, so I had a good chance of getting to the bowl before the deer and other hunters would.
I had everything set, including a new spotting scope. I was serious. I set out for the 2hr drive at 3am, prepared to be in my spot before daylight. Nothing was going to keep me from it. As I figured, there were a bunch of camps, and their occupants were up and about, though a few were still asleep. I figured I would get past them all and be in good shape for the days hunt.
I drove past the last camp and there were 3 guys standing around the fire doing the morning things folks do while at camp. I got maybe 1/8 of a mile past this last camp when the scout vapor locked. I couldn’t get it started. No matter what I did it would just not start. So here I am, close to a camp, in the woods, its opening day, what do I do? The ethics hit hard, so close to others and all but they were still in camp. Should I hit my bowl? Should I ask for a hand? I knew my scout, eventually it would start. Should I wait and then go on?
Now some may think I was a big jerk at this point and others may not. I chose to hit the bowl. That’s why I was out there right? Well, I set out. I had lost some time doing the not so trained mechanic stuff, though it wasn’t much.
I got up to a point that was near to where I wanted to be, but I had to get set up as the sun was starting to show itself. At this point I was half way up the mountain. I set up my gear, cleaned the lenses, loaded the rifle and made ready.
I had made it. The bowl was mine. I was all set, except that while I am getting myself together a 3x4 (with 3in eye guards) coues buck has been silently coming up from the direction that I had come up. He was behind me, the whole way. How do I know this you may ask? As I turned to look back and down the mountain, I spot him. Standing there, looking right at me. In a spot that I had been just a few minutes before. Where’s my rifle? You guessed it, its laying on my pack.


"Coues" and a Coues buck 3x3 from December 1989

Mere moments seem like an eternity, as I scramble and reach for my rifle. The buck bolts, I bolt, the whole mountains bolting. If a video operator had been on hand this would have made one heck of a show.
I get an opening, I see the buck, one shot then another is fired, as I come out of recoil, searching for the buck in the scope, over the echo of the shots, I hear from down below; "Wake the H*** up!! That guy is shooting our d**n deer"!!! "&*&*(^&^&**...come on!!!!!! That a****le got ahead of us". The language was embarrassing to say the least!!
I stayed focused on the task at hand. I had hit the buck twice but had not seen him drop. I feverishly scanned the thickets and the opposite side of the bowl. After a few tense moment i finally spot him. He had made it to the rim of the bowl, he was wounded there was no doubt, the final shot knocked him down, but not out. He scrambled over the rim and out of sight.
I didn’t wait one minute. I left my gear where it lay and scrambled after the buck. I found him just a few yards from where I last saw him. I gave thanks to and for the buck. I tagged him, and then set to work. It was at this moment that I realized that my plan had worked, though with a slight glitch.
Then it hit me. Those words I had heard from down below. Man, was somebody upset! I thought as I took care of the buck about all of the things that these guys might want do or say to me. I had to drive past these guys, not to mention hike back down to the scout.
Thoughts of ill will went through my mind as I carried my buck down to my gear and then down to my scout. Feelings of guilt and accomplishment at the same time ran through my mind.
I worked my way down the mountain and waited for the worst to come. I waited an hour or more. Nothing, no one, not a single harsh word nor angry mob showed.
It was time to go; after all I had a deer to get home, but what of the guys in camp? What would happen as I drove by?
As it turns out, there was a guy in camp as I went by. To my astonishment, he was laughing, and saluting me. I sheepishly waved back. My fears were all for not.
To this day, I still wonder how their faces looked as I my rifle fired and of what they thought when they heard my scout suddenly stop. I never did feel like it was wrong or that I was a jerk, but did they? I will never know.


Mounted 4x3 Coues buck - 1990

So there’s a story about a coues hunt. Sorry it was so long. I hope you all didn’t nod off during the reading of it.
Thanks for your time.
Coues
DS

More Coues deer photos


1991 Coues deer 3x3


Coues First big Coues buck


The Coues buck mounted from the photo
with "Coues" above mounted - Buck from
Dec 1989 3x3



Edited by NitroX (01/06/03 12:49 AM)


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Re: Coues Deer Hunt [Re: coues]
      #3029 - 29/05/03 05:31 AM

Mate i enjoyed your post--keep `em coming.I have friends in NM that hunt Coue`s bucks and they tell me they are about the hardest to get deer,congrats and send us in a pic eh.

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Re: Coues Deer Hunt [Re: coues]
      #3038 - 29/05/03 02:10 PM

coues

Thanks for the story. I enjoyed it and it wasn't too long at all.

I second gryphon's call for a photo or two. If you have any scanned and do not have a source to post them on the web, I will post them for you if you can't.

In your story you refer to the other hunters in camp. Well if the sun is starting to show on the season opening morning and they are still around a campfire well they deserved someone else to get the jump of them.

I think maybe the fellow still in camp thought it was funny, maybe one of the hunters is one of those blokes always fussing and taking a long time to get moving and you gave them a good shock. Therfore the comments may have been aimed more at the others in camp than at you ie get them moving.

Pics please.


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Re: Coues Deer Hunt [Re: coues]
      #3039 - 29/05/03 02:12 PM

Coues,

Never hunted coues myself, but know of the hunts by reputation, and that is, tough. Good story, hope to hear more.

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Re: Coues Deer Hunt [Re: ovis]
      #3049 - 30/05/03 06:08 AM

I have some pictures scanned. I havent got the hang of posting picture as yet. I will email them Thanks.
Not sure what pictures would be of interest though.
Thansk for the reply's and the help.
Coues
DS


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Re: Coues Deer Hunt [Re: coues]
      #3051 - 30/05/03 10:55 AM

Great story. Looking forward to the pictures too.


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Re: Coues Deer Hunt - photos added [Re: coues]
      #3083 - 01/06/03 12:51 AM

Photos added to the original post.

"Coues"

Forgive my ignorance but before your posts I had never heard of a Coues deer. How do they differ from Whitetail deer? What are the defining characteristics?

PS From your photos it looks like you do very well in your Coues hunting


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Re: Coues Deer Hunt - photos added [Re: NitroX]
      #3086 - 01/06/03 02:14 AM

Hi,
Thank you for the picture help. I hunt Coues deer here in Arizona, generally in the South eastern part of the state. I pulled some information from the Arizona game and fish site to give you an idea of what they are.
The 3x3 lying with the blue pack and rifle is the one the story is about. The picture doesn’t show the long eye-guards very well though. 3x3 or 4x4 and such is how the points are counted in the western U.S without counting the eye-guards, back east they count all of the points together. The 3x3 with eye guards would be an 8 point.

They can be found at elevations of 3500ft-9500ft (approx).
The Coues white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus couesi) is one of the smallest deer in America with the Florida key deer being the smallest.
Coues deer stand around 28-32 inches tall at the shoulder and measure about 56 inches from head to tail. I have seen some bucks that were a great deal smaller than this. One a friend of mine shot had a perfect 13 inch wide 4x4 rack that didn’t weigh more than 45 pounds after field dressing. A large field-dressed buck will rarely exceed 85-90 lbs. I have taken several that were weighed on certified scales after skinning that went 110-130lbs though the heavier ones aren’t the norm. (Some can exceed 100 pounds) and a doe tends to weigh about 65-70 lbs. A decent sized field-dressed Eastern Whitetail buck will weigh approximately 200 lbs or more.
Coues deer vary in color from a grayish coat in winter to a more reddish-brown color in the summer. The bucks tend to drop their antlers around March and April. Coues deer have white circles around its muzzle and eyes as seen on other subspecies of whitetail. Coues deer tend to not to have such a pronounced white throat patch as do whitetail in the East.
The tail of the Coues deer is generally brown with a border of white on the topside and completely white on the underside. The mule deer has white on the topside of the tail with its tip being black. Tail color can vary geographically. The topside of a Coues tail can be grayish, reddish brown or even black.
The Coues whitetail shares its range with the mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus). In some areas the two deer do on occasion cross breed. It is pretty easy to distinguish between the two species.
Viewing the tail is the easiest way to distinguish these two deer apart. Coues deer also have a much wider tail that is white underneath, but not on top. The tail of the mule deer is much skinnier, very rope-like, and is white with a black tip. When Coues deer are fleeing a person or predator, they will raise their tail. This displays the white under the tail and is c referred to as "flagging". The mule deer will not raise its tail in that manner.
You can also tell these deer apart by other differences in their behavior. White-tailed deer generally live in small groups of 2-5, not larger herds like mule deer. White-tailed deer and mule deer have different predator avoidance strategies. When mule deer are fleeing a predator they will use a unique gait called stotting. Stotting is the gait where they bounce stiff-legged on all four legs at the same time. Whitetails will not do this. They will leap or run (trot) away from danger.
Coues deer have white "halos" around their eyes and muzzle. Mule deer have quite a bit more white on their faces, not just encircling the eyes and nose. Mule deer also have more black coloration on their foreheads. These differences are very useful to help identify deer that are facing you and you can't see their tails.
Coues white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus couesi) is just one of 35 subspecies of white-tailed deer found in the world. The Coues deer are found in Arizona, Mexico, New Mexico and a small number are found in Texas. Texas also has the Carmen Mountain deer. It is very similar to the Coues deer and somewhat smaller
Thanks again for reading the story and for the picture help as well.
Coues
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Re: Coues Deer Hunt - photos added [Re: coues]
      #3087 - 01/06/03 03:28 AM

Coues,

Great pictures complementing a great tale. Good job.

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Re: Coues Deer Hunt - photos added [Re: ovis]
      #3092 - 01/06/03 06:59 AM

good info on the deer mate --keep `em coming as it has all been a good read.

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