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pistoleros
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??? 500 ore 470 ???
      #6137 - 25/12/03 07:00 PM

Hello everybody

this january i am going to ordre a double from kreighoff.
but i cant deside if i shall take it in 470 n.e ore 500 n.e
have searched all over the web and it is not written so much about his cind of caliber.could someone please
tell me some good things and bad things abround this 2
nitros?

Rune Larsen
Norway

http://www.pistoleros.no

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Re: ??? 500 ore 470 ??? [Re: pistoleros]
      #6145 - 26/12/03 06:21 AM

Rune

I am assuming that you are having a hard time finding information on the 500, not the 470. As you well know th e 470 is the most popular caliber in the Big stopping rifles and is made by many people. It is also possible, but not likely, that you can find ammunition on the shelf for it.

The 500 is a better cartridge as a stopping rifle by virtue of it's bigger bullet, 570 grains vs 500 grain, and energy, 5800 vs 5100. It was John Hunters favorite cartridge for a large caliber. Recently it is gaining in popularity due in part, I believe, to shooters wanting something different than the 470.

The down side is a harder recoiling rifle and a heavier rifle to carry. Also you will have to pay allot of money for ammunition if you buy ready made. Both rifles should be handloaded, for expense and fine tuning.

As far as an animal knowing the difference, they are are equal. Only the largest animals will be effected by the increased energy and then only on the marginal shots, not a well placed one.

I do see a problem with rifles in the larger calibers though and that is the balance and handling characteristics. Bigger bullets make for bigger and heavier barrels. To balance a heavier set of barrels you need a heavier stock and this makes for a heavier rifle. This is good in regards to recoil but swinging an 11 or 12 pound rifle around for a snap shot at a dangerous animal can be difficult unless the rifle is perfectly balanced and the shooter strong enough and fresh enough to do it. I haven't seen any of the moderately priced doubles that have this quality. They are all made identically to other calibers and seem barrel heavy to me.

Before you pick a rifle try and see the actual rifle you will buy.

edited for some pretty lousy spelling and grammer.

Good luck,

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Edited by mickey (27/12/03 04:22 AM)

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DUGABOY1
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Re: ??? 500 ore 470 ??? [Re: mickey]
      #6153 - 26/12/03 02:52 PM

just about anything I could say would simply be redundant to what Mick just said! Of the two you are thinking of, my choice would be the 470NE, for exactly the reasons Mick stated!

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Re: ??? 500 ore 470 ??? [Re: pistoleros]
      #6154 - 26/12/03 05:55 PM

Rune

Welcome to the NitroExpress.com forums.

Perhaps you could post what sort of hunting you hope to do with the new double rifle and also what existing big bore rifles you already have and have used.

For example if you said you are planning an East African trophy bull elephant hunt and want THE best elephant double rifle calibre, the 500 might be the one.

Also if you have several rifles already in 416, .450 or ,458 etc then perhaps a step up to the .500 might also be an idea.

Mickey and Mac (and others) can give you a lot of good advice.

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