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raccoon29
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What is the...
      #40958 - 08/11/05 11:14 AM

strongest double rifle set up you can make. And when i mean strongest i mean can you shoot giant calibers in it. Oh and are nitro express rounds loaded woth cordite the same as regular rounds? Thanks

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Peterb
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Re: What is the... [Re: raccoon29]
      #40964 - 08/11/05 12:10 PM

Searcy has made both 4Bore doubles and 700 Nitros. Wulff makes even 378 $ 460 doubles with a unique locking system. Cordite, I believe, is no longer made.

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Re: What is the... [Re: raccoon29]
      #40965 - 08/11/05 12:14 PM


The strongest action is probably the Push Underlever
action - Searcy use it as did Jeffrey.

One of the best (?Srongest ?) actions is the Webley
Screw Grip or Webley PHV1 Actions.


Re Are nitro express rounds loaded woth cordite the same as regular rounds?

Not sure of question.

If you are saying are they the same, to get the sam regulation in terms of pressure
and velocty, then yes but in terms of same weight of powder, no as cordite was
different.

If you are talking compared to PROOF runds, then no, proof rounds are
alot more powerful.

I hope I have asnwered your questions.


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Re: What is the... [Re: 500Nitro]
      #40988 - 08/11/05 04:01 PM

What about the unusual Fuchs bolt action double? I won't mention the Blaser one.

Also what about the Falling Block double?



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raccoon29
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Re: What is the... [Re: NitroX]
      #41016 - 08/11/05 07:10 PM

never heard of a falling block double. How about a jones underlever i've always seen big calbers in this action and if it isn't the strongest why did they use it, was it because they thought it was the safest?

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Re: What is the... [Re: raccoon29]
      #41020 - 08/11/05 07:57 PM

raccoon29

I have created a separate thread on the Hagn Falling Block double.

It is worth it's own thread.

I do not know anything about them yet.

Hagn Falling Block




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raccoon29
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Re: What is the... [Re: NitroX]
      #41159 - 10/11/05 02:26 PM


Just curious on this rifle how do you have a 3rd bite on the barrel lump in a jones under lever?

And why is it on a double the bar's opening for the lumps go completley through not oh say like half way through?

I've been saving to many questions...


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Re: What is the... [Re: raccoon29]
      #41170 - 10/11/05 03:56 PM

The second stud under the barrels (the one between the fore-end loop and the action) isn't a second fore-end loop. The screw grip fore-end fastener engages only the front lug as it isn't the kind of mechanism that could engage both. The fore-end loop, which the screw grip lever engages, is soldered to the barrels. This joint sometimes fails under recoil and the fore-end loop comes off. Such failures are normally associated with high volume shooting with double shotguns and usually isn't a problem with heavy double rifles. However, it certainly might be with a BP 8 bore. From the way the second lug fits into the fore-end iron, I believe it to be nothing more than a recoil shoulder to relieve the stress on the fore-end loop. This could be original (I've never seen this before, but I don't pay much attention to BP 8's), or a modification made after such a failure.

As far as the front lump extending through the bottom of the action....just easier to make that way. Some say that a through-lump means that it isn't a best gun. Champlin Firearms currently has a Holland & Holland Royal Deluxe DR that has a through lump, and isn't stocked to the fences either. Go figure.
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Re: What is the... [Re: raccoon29]
      #41401 - 13/11/05 05:28 AM

In reply to:

Oh and are nitro express rounds loaded woth cordite the same as regular rounds? Thanks




No cartridges are loaded today with CORDITE! All cartridges, today are loaded with nitrocellulouse (smokeless powder) of different burning rates. CORDITE is a very unstable propelant, and not only very sensitive to temprature changes, but is somewhat costic to the bore.

I would say that if STRENGTH is all you are looking for, then "FUCH" bolt action double rifle, will fill the bill, though it is far from the BEST double rifle one can own.

The size of the cartridge is no indication of how strong the action has to be! Most of the old doubles with the Jones under lever were mostly very low pressure black powder rounds, some are as large as 2 bore. The chamber pressures developed by these old cartridges was very low, under 8 Imp long tons, while many of the very small modern cartridges will develope 65,000 CUP! Most cartridges suited to use in double rifle opperate at under 38,000 CUP, while 45,000 is getting on the hot side, but still acceptable in strong doubles. Even if brand new, a break top double rifle made of modern steel is still 19th century technology, and not well suited to high pressure chamberings.

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