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whats happen with shotguns in britain
      #393400 - 13/09/25 08:16 PM

I see this holts auction https://www.holtsauctioneers.com/asp/sea...sale_no=I2025++

and its allmost full with this stuff "THE STOCK, ACTION AND FORE-END ONLY OF A"

if you look into this you find allways the same text "Please note that guns sold as Stock, Action and Fore-end only are sold without barrels. The original barrels may be available for sleeving purposes, but will only be released cut in the approved manner as per Proof House guidelines. Please note there is a charge of £10 per item for this service. Please note Stock, Action & Fore-end guns are sold as licensable items and will need to be entered onto an appropriate licence before being released. If, subsequently, licensable parts are left with Holts for destruction, a £25 handling charge will be levied"

could be the guns have no current proof marks but its hard to imagine because most of them are no vintage guns without any proof or in such a bad shape they are not safe to get a new proof anymore. in any case it would be easy to proof the guns there and give them out then.
so the british proof house in some way "confiscated" the barrels and give them only out as cut down parts.

anyone here knows what happen there?

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Re: whats happen with shotguns in britain [Re: lancaster]
      #393407 - 14/09/25 01:34 AM

I've seen Holts barrels with a rectangular hole cut in each barrel.

Allegedly for barrels where the chamber dimensions are different to loaded ammo. "Safety".

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Re: whats happen with shotguns in britain [Re: NitroX]
      #393408 - 14/09/25 02:20 AM

I don't think its safety, there must be something legal about this guns.

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Re: whats happen with shotguns in britain [Re: lancaster]
      #393409 - 14/09/25 03:24 AM

I would quess they have measured the thickness of barrels wall and they are too thin. So they are "out of proof" with this way.

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Re: whats happen with shotguns in britain [Re: Igorrock]
      #393410 - 14/09/25 05:27 AM

but with 180 shotguns in this auction alone? I never see this from other countrys and if you go on the website most of the guns looking fine on the pics. https://www.holtsauctioneers.com/asp/sea...2025++&pg=7

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Re: whats happen with shotguns in britain [Re: lancaster]
      #393411 - 14/09/25 02:42 PM

Sometching to do with steel shot now being required in the UK?

Were any good ones as listed action, friend. Stock only?

I couldn't see any.

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Re: whats happen with shotguns in britain [Re: NitroX]
      #393412 - 14/09/25 03:08 PM

Quote:

Sometching to do with steel shot now being required in the UK?




well, this could be an answer if true.

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Re: whats happen with shotguns in britain [Re: lancaster]
      #393415 - 15/09/25 02:05 AM

Peehaps those barrels separated due to firing steel shot?
I seem to remember some spokesperson from Purdey saying all their doubles, old and newer were just fine with Bismuth shot.

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Re: whats happen with shotguns in britain [Re: DarylS]
      #393419 - 15/09/25 07:30 AM

Holts measure the barrel thickness and if they are of a thickness not considered safe or in proof the guns are sold as stock action and fore-end only. That is all. The barrels thin over the years and Holts are very particular about selling safe firearms. These ones have just reached the point where the barrels are too thin for Holts to sell. You can by them for parts, have new barrels made or have the barrels re-sleeved.

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Re: whats happen with shotguns in britain [Re: Claydog]
      #393423 - 15/09/25 10:52 AM

The steel shot idea sounds right but I'll toss another wild guess (for some reason Mark Cash, RIP comments came to mind).
A collection of guns with original lead-only barrels repeatedly struck/filed over the years in refinishing with barrels thinned to the point of concern?

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Re: whats happen with shotguns in britain [Re: Claydog]
      #393424 - 15/09/25 03:44 PM

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Holts measure the barrel thickness and if they are of a thickness not considered safe or in proof the guns are sold as stock action and fore-end only. That is all. The barrels thin over the years and Holts are very particular about selling safe firearms. These ones have just reached the point where the barrels are too thin for Holts to sell. You can by them for parts, have new barrels made or have the barrels re-sleeved.




Or more like worry about potential liability. IMO.

We all shoot guns like that every day without problems. But we don't load inappropriate MMO if we know what we are doing. Even using incorrect ammo usually isn't a big problem. My Dad and I used normal 2 3/4" shells in a 2 1/2" shotgun with Damascus twist barrels for decades. With luck, we didn't had an accident.

It's awful to decent shotguns with barrels with big rectangular holes cut into through the barrels.

None of the Baikals on the list had the barrels removed.?:)

I did acsearch on some of the famous maker names. None listed on this auction list.

Except for the cost of getting it to Australia, wouldn't it be wonderful to find a donor action with hammersm underlever or sidelever, appropriate shape, buttstock, forend, and rifled sleeved barrels. For a Howdah pistol. A few pounds cost maybe a hundred at most. One or two thousand for export and import is prohibitive. But if carrying one back? Much cheaper.

Does one need a shotgun licence to buy a shotgun action, stock, friend in the UK? Some jurisdictions register barrels, not actions? That could be another reason to sell them without barrels?

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