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CM76
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Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE
      #390205 - 05/03/25 01:58 PM

Here is another Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE I picked up recently. The rifle has heavy relief engraving, and was possibly built as an exhibition piece. The stock has been replaced at some point, although the fore end appears to be original timber.
A nice old rifle with lovely bright bores and decent rifling.

Chris

[image]IMG_3369 by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

[image]IMG_3368 by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

[image]IMG_3365 by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

[image]IMG_3367 by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

[image]IMG_3366 by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

[image]IMG_3370 by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

Edited by CM76 (05/03/25 04:25 PM)

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: CM76]
      #390208 - 05/03/25 06:21 PM

Those lion and tiger together encounters, engraving on one side plate. And maybe a leopard and a cheetah on the other.

The butt appears to have some cast. Or is it off cast? I forget? Butt slightly bent to the right.

Nice rifle.

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: NitroX]
      #390209 - 05/03/25 06:28 PM

\What a marvellous piece you have Chris!
Do you happen to have the loading data for this old girl?

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: 93x64mm]
      #390210 - 05/03/25 08:01 PM

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\What a marvellous piece you have Chris!
Do you happen to have the loading data for this old girl?



Thanks, it is certainly a little different from the std engraving. I have some nitro for black load data, but would like to develop a black powder load for it at some point.

Chris

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: NitroX]
      #390211 - 05/03/25 08:09 PM

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The butt appears to have some cast. Or is it off cast? I forget? Butt slightly bent to the right.

Nice rifle.



Thanks John. The stock is actually straight with no cast. The photo certainly looks that way though.

Chris

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: CM76]
      #390212 - 05/03/25 10:32 PM

Its a cat gun.

The lion andbtoger together are unusual. But lions did exist in the Gir Forestbl of Western India.

The other panel shows spotted cats. One has a thicker neck. So a leopard. Maybe one is a Jaguar? But one has a a less bull head and a thinner neck, so I'm suggesting a cheetah.

I love these old hammer guns. Can NFB loads be used in it?

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: NitroX]
      #390216 - 06/03/25 01:29 AM

The standard load is 160 grains BP behind a 520 or 560 lead bullet, although Kynoch listed a 480 grain which could be a starting load (assuming the inside is as good as the outside!)

I now only shoot BP in any of my guns/rifles, unless nitro proofed

Congrats on a lovely rifle and enjoy shooting it

TH

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: TH44]
      #390218 - 06/03/25 03:58 AM

Chris,

That is a wonderful rifle and veru nice loading gear. Have fun shooting it. Post some pictures of targets and loads.

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: 85lc]
      #390225 - 06/03/25 07:18 AM

Gorgeous!!

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: NitroX]
      #390226 - 06/03/25 07:36 AM

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I love these old hammer guns. Can NFB loads be used in it?



I have a real soft spot for the underlever hammer doubles as well John. The rifle came with some loaded NFB cartridges, however I won't be using those. Definitely want to load some black powder rounds for it though.

Chris

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: TH44]
      #390227 - 06/03/25 07:42 AM

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The standard load is 160 grains BP behind a 520 or 560 lead bullet, although Kynoch listed a 480 grain which could be a starting load (assuming the inside is as good as the outside!)

I now only shoot BP in any of my guns/rifles, unless nitro proofed

Congrats on a lovely rifle and enjoy shooting it

TH



Thanks TH. Agree with you on the BP loads for the BP proofed rifles. I understand why people use NFB loads, but I think using BP is half the fun!

Chris

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: CM76]
      #390231 - 06/03/25 09:01 AM

Nice to see a double with the hammers in the correct location and the engraving is pretty special. Beautiful rifle.

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: Claydog]
      #391630 - 19/05/25 08:34 PM

Thanks Claydog

Chris

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: CM76]
      #391631 - 20/05/25 01:01 AM

Ditto on TH44's load data with BP. If interested, the late Paul Mathews had a great tip for clean shooting with BP. While lots of guys will put a grease (BP lube) wad between 2 card wads and get some assistance with this, Paul found that putting a wax/paper disk on the slightly "1/10" compressed powder", then grease cookie, then wad)s) and bullet, the fouling would be very soft and allow 5 to 10 shots without any dry fouling buildup.
Now, he also had some advice on different fouling traits:
hard fouling close to the breech, but the rest of the barrel clear, means grease 'cookie" too hard. Fouling clear up to almost the muzzle, but fouling at the muzzle, not enough grease cookie. Fouling full length of the barrel's bore, not a good black powder grease.
The fouling in the bore after 5 to 10 shots, should be wiped clean with one DRY patch. If not, adjust the lube disk's components, harder, softer, more or less.
There should be a lube star on the muzzle after each shot.(lube star created matching the rifling grooves)
I have used his formula for BP ctg. guns and my modern large bore, .45 and .50 cal smokeless rifles with cast bullets and it is a great one - and works well for both.
60% Beeswax, 40% Vaseline. I have tried this or similar mixtures with paraffin wax and olive oil with poor results.
The Beeswax or Vaseline can be adjusted to gain stiffness or make it softer.
The beeswax should be of good quality.
Our own Captain Curl has used this recipe with bee-brood foundation cut in to disks as the barrier between powder and lube disk and it works well, too. This was Paul's suggestion in a later book.
Good luck.

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Re: Rodda 577 2 3/4 BPE [Re: DarylS]
      #391641 - 20/05/25 07:52 AM

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Ditto on TH44's load data with BP. If interested, the late Paul Mathews had a great tip for clean shooting with BP. While lots of guys will put a grease (BP lube) wad between 2 card wads and get some assistance with this, Paul found that putting a wax/paper disk on the slightly "1/10" compressed powder", then grease cookie, then wad)s) and bullet, the fouling would be very soft and allow 5 to 10 shots without any dry fouling buildup.
Now, he also had some advice on different fouling traits:
hard fouling close to the breech, but the rest of the barrel clear, means grease 'cookie" too hard. Fouling clear up to almost the muzzle, but fouling at the muzzle, not enough grease cookie. Fouling full length of the barrel's bore, not a good black powder grease.
The fouling in the bore after 5 to 10 shots, should be wiped clean with one DRY patch. If not, adjust the lube disk's components, harder, softer, more or less.
There should be a lube star on the muzzle after each shot.(lube star created matching the rifling grooves)
I have used his formula for BP ctg. guns and my modern large bore, .45 and .50 cal smokeless rifles with cast bullets and it is a great one - and works well for both.
60% Beeswax, 40% Vaseline. I have tried this or similar mixtures with paraffin wax and olive oil with poor results.
The Beeswax or Vaseline can be adjusted to gain stiffness or make it softer.
The beeswax should be of good quality.
Our own Captain Curl has used this recipe with bee-brood foundation cut in to disks as the barrier between powder and lube disk and it works well, too. This was Paul's suggestion in a later book.
Good luck.



Thanks Daryl - some great information! As mentioned in my Purdey post, the rifles came with their brass wax wad forming plates, so I will be able to try the Vaseline / beeswax combination you have mentioned.

Chris

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