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Jaegerbursch
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Army and Navy Double Rifles
#233986 - 11/08/13 03:51 AM

Dear Guys and Girls,

at the moment I search some informations about old british army and navy rifles - after reading hemmigway and hunting the first time in Africa with my 375 H&H gun I have the wish to know more about old double rifles like this:

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...%201205%20&

Have you got some books or something else for me?

Kind regards and sorry for my bad english.

Jaegerbursch

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AkMike
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Reged: 19/11/05
Posts: 2576
Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

Re: Army and Navy Double Rifles [Re: Jaegerbursch]
#234013 - 11/08/13 02:30 PM

The Army Navy records are still held at a University in England. I forget which one. But a quick google search will reveal them.

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500Nitro
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Posts: 7244
Loc: Victoria, Australia

Re: Army and Navy Double Rifles [Re: AkMike]
#234014 - 11/08/13 02:45 PM

Jaeger

What info were you after ?

Info on Army and Navy Stores, Army and Navy Doubles etc ?

Army and Navy ordered from whoever whatever the customer ordered.

They often used Webley or Webley and Scott for Double Rifles.

That gun looks like it is on the Webley Screw Grip Action.
The other well known action by Webley is the PHV1 action
which has a clover leaf type third bite that DOESN'T intersect with the Toplever mechanism (the Screw Grip does
intersect as you can see in the photos).

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500Nitro
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Re: Army and Navy Double Rifles [Re: 500Nitro]
#234015 - 11/08/13 02:48 PM

Here is 500 Nitro you can compare it to in PHV1 action.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=41119&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

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Huvius
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Re: Army and Navy Double Rifles [Re: AkMike]
#234056 - 12/08/13 01:25 AM

Quote:

The Army Navy records are still held at a University in England. I forget which one. But a quick google search will reveal them.

University of Glasgow in Scotland I beleive.

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Jaegerbursch
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Reged: 03/08/13
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Loc: Germany

Re: Army and Navy Double Rifles [Re: Huvius]
#234135 - 13/08/13 05:01 AM

Thank you very much guys!

I am searching about informations about Army & Navy Doubles ... maybe at sometime I will buy such a wonderful gun ;-)

If you have some informations about dealers and so on I would be very happy.

Sorry for my bad english!

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Rhodes
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Loc: NQ, Australia

Re: Army and Navy Double Rifles [Re: Jaegerbursch]
#234182 - 13/08/13 08:51 PM

That Army Navy in the Holt's auction is a bit of a light weight.

"470 - 3 1/4 SOLID METAL CASE. 75GRS. CORDITE. 500 GRN. BULLET"
"weight 9lb. 14oz"

Rhodes

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DUGABOY1
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Reged: 02/02/03
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Loc: TEXAS USA

Re: Army and Navy Double Rifles [Re: Rhodes]
#234280 - 15/08/13 04:43 AM

I've owned three different A&N double rifles, and all three were built on Webley PHV1 actions, all with Doll's head screw-grip rib extensions. Two were engraved with the typical Indian animals, and one was only minimally border engraved. All were very well made double rifles though not fancy! Being fancy doesn't mean much when what you need is dependability! Fancy doesn't stop a concentrated charge!

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WildCattle
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Re: Army and Navy Double Rifles [Re: DUGABOY1]
#234289 - 15/08/13 12:42 PM

Either they were screw grips or they were PHV1. They can't be both.
The screw grip model is the A&WC.
The PHV1 only has a regular doll's head with a bite.
The auction gun is very nice and is a A&WC Screw grip.
Best regards,
WC-

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DUGABOY1
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Re: Army and Navy Double Rifles [Re: WildCattle]
#234328 - 16/08/13 09:29 AM

Wildcattle you are quite correct! Mine were I think PHV1 actions with dolls head but I seem to remember all three had a slot in the nose of the doll's head for a third lock. So it may not have been a screw grip, but simply an extra rotation lock. It has been over 30 years since I owned those three rifles!
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