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savage458
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Re: Siamese Mauser [Re: savage458]
      #231877 - 30/06/13 05:08 AM

Grenadier

Have you handled -fired 505 Gibbs ?


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Re: Siamese Mauser [Re: savage458]
      #231878 - 30/06/13 05:24 AM

Handled a couple - Yes. Fired - No. Largest cartridge (not counting military weapons) I ever fired was .470NE and that was too big for me to enjoy. I consider my personal big bore limit to be 450NE. All lot of people like rattling their brain cases with more but I'll pass, thank you.

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Re: Siamese Mauser [Re: Grenadier]
      #231917 - 01/07/13 09:31 AM

I am late posting here - my apologies. I have three Siamese Mauser actions, out of which one is slated for a faux-Rigby style 303. My friend Huvius gifted me a lovely custom 45-70 built with a heavy target barrel as a target rifle, and I am not sure what to do with the two remaining actions. I am thinking about a 50-110 on one and have received some very good advice from a forum member via Facebook. If someone wants to go really big, I guess, 577 2 3/4" should be possible.

My actions will feed 303 and7.62 Mosin without any problems, ass they are. My guess is that a gunsmith could make the 405 work - it is very slightly longer than the Wolf 303 ammo that I have compared 405 rounds to. wasn't the 30-40 Krag developed from the 405 or Vice-versa?

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Re: Siamese Mauser [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #231953 - 02/07/13 12:52 AM

With a nominal .460" head, the .405 case is indeed close to the .30/40 Krag's .457". The .303 Brit. also has a .457" head diameter, which is why .303 brass works so well for .457" bullet jackets.

The 3 on the right are from .303 cases.
2nd form the right has a WW alloy core and made 14 1/2" into a -40C Green Railway tie smashing 2, 3" glass hard knots on it's way. The right hand bullet, with a pure lead core, made only 12" into the same fir tie, yet smashed 1 of the 3" diameter knots. Both bullets had an almost 1/2" diameter wad of wood fiber would up in a spiral mass in front of them, which was being pushed forward by the bullets as they penetrated increasing increasing the woud channel's diameter as they pushed into the material. It was amazing - tough stuff - Douglas Fir! When straighted out, those small ropes of wound up wood fibers extended right back, almost to the surface of the tie where the bullets struck.

.303's have more uses than one realizes. both cores were sort of bonded as well. I roughed the interiors with 0 steel wool, then cleaned them and wiped the interiors of the cases with solder flux on a cotton cue tip, before pouring their cores. A sizer die was used to turn the noses into the bullet's end, slightly as you can see in the picture.

The pure lead ones would make interesting hog bullets.

The bullet on the left is made from a .30 Luger case, I think. The next one in, expanded, was a 200gr. .30 M1 Carbine case'd bullet, shot from my .358 Norma Mag at something like 3,000fps into frozen Aspen log. It made almost 2' of penetration, splitting the small 8" log into 2 pieces. I think they'd make good hog bullets too.

.223 brass, discarded all over the range here, make decent .375's. No body seems to load this stuff, any more.

The copper tube is .375OD. The dull pipe cutter I used to cut it off, leaves a lot of flashing, which helps seal the base. A .375" base pour mould (I've used Lyman) is bored to the crimp groove to take this piece of .375 tubing. Melt the lead, heat the mould, drop in a 'brass' jacket, pour the bullet. Then drop from the mould, an X weight .375 jacketed bullet with whatever core alloy you want. I've only shot these to 2,500fps, but they worked perfectly. If using WW alloy, you can turn these almost into FMJ type FN bullets by heat treating the cores after casting. heat them to about 475F (10F under 'slump' temp) then quench. 12 hours later, they'll run 30 brinel or more.

We've just discovered that .40 S&W ctg. brass are about .4295", perfect for .44 mags and .444 Marlin bullets.



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Re: Siamese Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #231961 - 02/07/13 03:25 AM

Quote:

.223 brass, discarded all over the range here, make decent .375's.




Daryl,

Could you give more details of this please? If you have posted details previously could you give a link?

Thanks.


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Re: Siamese Mauser [Re: Oldbrit]
      #231963 - 02/07/13 04:20 AM

its very simple: 222 and 223 brass measured 374-375 at the base. simply cut it to lenght and press a lead core into the brass. I use my beloved rock chucker and a 9mm parabellum die set for this work.
bullet is ready for loading than...

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Re: Siamese Mauser [Re: lancaster]
      #231971 - 02/07/13 06:20 AM

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its very simple: 222 and 223 brass measured 374-375 at the base. simply cut it to lenght and press a lead core into the brass.




But isn't there a distinct taper on the 223 case or doesn't that matter?


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Re: Siamese Mauser [Re: Oldbrit]
      #231976 - 02/07/13 08:20 AM

TKs Lancaster. The taper gives the bullet a taper. It is 'square' for 3/8" or so, then a gentle taper - works just great if you don't over think it too much.
I used 310's and was testing 330gr. when I became distracted by other testing. I made the 310 through 330gr. from discarded Fed. .223 cases left all over the range by the Police when they do their ERT training and qualification. The 310gr. (actual 309gr. to 312gr.) shot into 1 1/2" in my first .375/06IMP using what today sounds like a still load of IMR3031 but in that rifle, I had listed as moderate.
Vel. 2,450fps.

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Re: Siamese Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #232002 - 02/07/13 10:41 PM

I've got to try this!!!

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Re: Siamese Mauser [Re: Oldbrit]
      #232005 - 03/07/13 12:30 AM

I leave the primers in, cut to length, then tumble clean. If you use a dull pipe cutter, it will crimp the mouth of the case in considerably, which helps when a nice round nose is desired.

O'l John (Buhmiller) of Kalispel used to call them his "Mouse Hole Makers".

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Re: Siamese Mauser [Re: DarylS]
      #232057 - 03/07/13 11:45 PM

Daryl / Lancaster,

I have just deleted a posting about using a 148gr 9mm in a cut off 223 case to make a .375" bullet. I slept on it overnight and the more I thought about it the less I liked it. I did some more measurements this morning and I couldn't be sure that I hadn't got an airspace in the base of the case around the bottom of the bullet. That didn't sound like a good thing so I abandoned that idea and went back to the drawing board.

I think MkII is much closer to what you've been talking about. I cut off a 223 case just below the neck and pushed a 200 gr .30" cast bullet into it nose first. I then applied the blow torch until the lead melted. Once it had cooled I trued up the case on the case trimmer and took some measurements. The whole bullet is just over 1" long. The case still has its taper on it but as you said the base is .375" for about 3/8". For good measure I ran the whole thing as far as it would go up into a 38 Super crimp die and this reduced the first 1/4" to .360" in diameter.

What I now have is a .375" bullet with a wad cutter nose.

Edited by Oldbrit (03/07/13 11:54 PM)


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