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Claydog
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British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo
      #219811 - 19/11/12 01:02 PM

Sunday morning again saw Pato and me out for a hunt. Pato had some 400gr hydros for his 404 Jeffrey to try out on larger game and I finally got to shoot my .275 Rigby.

Bull buffalo rocked by an angling chest shot. Hydro passed through the chest and stomach, exited then re-entered to lodge in the rear thigh. We couldn't recover the projectile. This was the only Hydro that remained in the carcass. All other shots entered and exited even from frontal shots. Hitting bone didn't seem to make much differece.

Bull went down after a second shoulder shot that probably wasn't required. Then a brain shot to be sure.


Buffalo with the Jeffery .404




Pato looks over another Buffalo buts turns it down





Huge necked scrub bull races the Toyota




Solid Bull again taken with a Hydro. Wound near the off hip is an exit wound after a frontal chest shot.



The Jeffery and the Rigby




Young bull out of a wallow



Another Buff takes off after a side shoulder shot with a Hydro.



Penetrated both shoulders,projectile never to be seen again.



Pato gives the finisher



Back for the knives




Second shot on a scrub bull after first quartering shot.



Wound in front of hip is exit wound from first shot with a hydro





Another bull buffalo past over



Buffalo wallows and swimming holes.







Bower bird nest with his stash of shiny objects he uses to attract a mate. Pato uses his skull in much the same way. We hope to find some of the hydro projectiles in this collection next time around.


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Rigby350
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Re: British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo [Re: Claydog]
      #219821 - 19/11/12 05:02 PM

Good time had by all, great photos and great rifles, nice work.

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Ben
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Re: British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo [Re: Rigby350]
      #219824 - 19/11/12 06:01 PM

Nice!

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Rule303
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Re: British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo [Re: Rigby350]
      #219825 - 19/11/12 06:05 PM

Well done fellas. That scruber racing the Tojo is a big bugger.

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Re: British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo [Re: Rule303]
      #219846 - 20/11/12 02:29 AM

Very nice Gentlemen.

Claydog, how did the .275 perform?

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Re: British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo [Re: NitroX]
      #219847 - 20/11/12 02:42 AM

Thank you for the pictures and dialogue. Excellent.

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Claydog
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Re: British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo [Re: DarylS]
      #219867 - 20/11/12 08:26 AM

NitroX,
The Rigby was a pleasure to shoot. It is a very accurate sweet little rifle. Accounted for some donkeys on this trip and performed well with factory loads. I had forgotten what it was like to shoot a small bore. On another matter I would be interested to hear what anyone else thinks of the hyro projectiles. I would nearly say they have too much penetration in the big bores. Pato is loading some up for a .308 and trying to get some for the Rigby. I will be keen to see how they perform.


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Re: British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo [Re: Claydog]
      #219879 - 20/11/12 04:49 PM

A pair of the best for sure.

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Claydog
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Re: British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo [Re: VonGruff]
      #219887 - 20/11/12 07:37 PM

VonGruff
I thought you might appreciate the choice of weapons


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Re: British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo [Re: Claydog]
      #219890 - 20/11/12 09:56 PM

Quote:

NitroX,
On another matter I would be interested to hear what anyone else thinks of the hyro projectiles. I would nearly say they have too much penetration in the big bores.




I guess they offer a big helping hand to "ultraspeeds" Weatherby and Co. calibers, 8x68S comes to mind as well etc. Full potential of hydros lays in velocity - the faster you push them the better they get - so that is the way they should steer them - speaking of "regular" heavy&slow minded penetrating calibers. Therefore make them light (short) and push them as fast as it gets.

P.S. As I noticed Woodleigh is already offering them in 232 gr. for 9,3 mm - BINGO - instead of investing in penetration (that there is aplenty already) one invests in velocity with flatter trajectory and bigger wound channel...That is for regular use on all game but Eles. For Ele headshots regular weights&speeds are still the way to go JMHO.


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Claydog
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Re: British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo [Re: 93mouse]
      #219894 - 20/11/12 11:14 PM

I just wasn't to impressed with them in the 404. They just sailed through with seemingly little damage even if they hit serious bone. Didn't have the hard hit the woodleighs had. If you had to bust through horns or skull to get at the brain in a tight spot they would be appreciated. Thought they might give a smaller calibre more bone breaking ability?

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Re: British Boltguns, Bulls and Buffalo [Re: Claydog]
      #219898 - 21/11/12 12:12 AM

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I just wasn't to impressed with them in the 404. They just sailed through with seemingly little damage even if they hit serious bone. Didn't have the hard hit the woodleighs had. If you had to bust through horns or skull to get at the brain in a tight spot they would be appreciated. Thought they might give a smaller calibre more bone breaking ability?




The various hydroshock type pullets ie flat nosed mono metal bullets were originally invented to get around idiotic laws against lead or lead core bullets in such places as California.

If the bullet is banded they do give eg a double rifle or other rifle with a thinner barrel an ability to shoot a solid type bullet, as a lead core is not possible. The lead core has some give for the rifling as compared to a mono solid which doesn't.

The flat nose is a compromise between a FMJ or round nose solid and a solid point or other controlled expansion bullet.

The reason the mono bullets are usually light for calibre is not because they have all the penetration they need, so they are going for flatter trajectory. Instead it is because mono bullets are heavy for length, and a full weight bullet would be too long if it was a mono solid. Therefore you might get a 230 gr mono instead of a 300 gr FMJ. The 230 gr mono may still be longer than the 300 gr FMJ.

I have seen and heard various reports on them often quite different from the usual ones on the net.

Myself I regard them as essential for places like California but everywhere a fad and a compromise.

My reasoning? Lets take the most essential use for a FMJ or Solid. Elephant hunting. I would not take a light weight mono bullet at high velocity against an elephant's skull or other heavy bones. There are reasons the 300 gr in .375, the 400 gr in .400's, the 480 to 500 gr in the .450's etc have always been the best choices. Why sacrifice lesser weight for a fad flat nose mono bullet. Speed is not needed, penetration and section density is. I still think these light for calibre monos will deflect more. JMO.

Secondly why use a mono or solid for medium game hunting? Many reports of inadequate expansion. Just like any other solid. Sometimes solids are used for lesser meat or skin/fur damage of course. Why not just use a good controlled expansion soft point bullet? The bullet that is proved to work the best. I don't really understand the excitement about them, other than being marketing buzz.

The "hydro" bubble in front of a flat nose, sounds like to me a lot of pseudo science. JMO. But obviously better than a pointed spitzer mil style FMJ if comparing. The big holes in medium game photos ... well they can be seen with other bullets. I have a photo of a pig where its rear leg and hip is almost blown off.

One problem hydro style bullets may be compensating for, is the extreme velocity cartridges that exist today. It is a simple fact that many bullets or no bullets on the market exist for these cartridges. For example some of the bigger bore high velocity cartridges. Simply put there are no controlled expansion bullets designed to work reliably for them. One reason for big bores, smart guys go for increased calibre diameter, and bullet weight, not increased velocity eg the .460 Wvy Mag vs a .500 Jeffery. It is not rocket science which is more effective. Anyway a flat mono bullet may be an answer for such extreme velocity cartridges, and would probably be very effective in them.

A lot of this is off topic!

Claydog,

It would be interesting if you ever tried your .275 on buffalo. No doubt it can kill a buffalo with a good heart shot or just above the heart. Brain or spine shot too. I reckon a good 175 gr Woodleigh SP would do the job. Be interesting to see what a hydro in 7mm would do. Of course with the limitations that a small calibre has for lesser ability for dropping wounded or charging animals.

Good photos gentlemen and interesting comments.

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Edited by NitroX (21/11/12 12:13 AM)


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