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larcher
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Idaho anomality, even more
      #176918 - 11/03/11 12:41 AM

Sent by our friend Dan Hunsaker

"Some friends ran a cougar this weekend near Garden
Valley . They heard a hell of a racket and when they finally got around to where it was they found
the cougar treed over a dead wolf. It looked like the wolf and cat had gotten into it and the cat
kicked the wolf’s ass big time"

[image]http://macle.voila.fr/index.php?m=30a162f4&a=50c2346d&f=10334791[/image]

[image]http://macle.voila.fr/index.php?m=30a162f4&a=50c2346d&f=10334793[/image]

I love the way the wolf is looking.
But one can say what one wants about Idaho, but they do grow mtn lion big. Ample supply of elk for sure. No chance to feed them with our skinny roe deer in Europe.

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Re: Idaho anomality, even more [Re: larcher]
      #176926 - 11/03/11 01:39 AM

Now this is an interesting post.

First, good for the wolf. Kill them all, every last one as far as I'm concerned.

Now...lion actually on a per-predator basis kill more ungulates than individual wolves do.

Lion kill on average 1 deer per week, wolves, about 15-20 ungulates per year.

And yes, larcher, mountain lion's main prey is deer, not elk. They get big on volume, not size. In fact, lion kill from the studies I've read, relatively few elk, and that mostly calves. Lion are very careful and hunt alone. An injured lion is a dead lion. That may drive their oveall concentration on smaller species.

They would wreak holy hell on your roedeer, that's for sure.

Lion are much easier to manage, tho, and for that reason are not the threat to our game populations that wolves are.

Here's my son's from a few weeks ago, shot on my ranch here;



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Re: Idaho anomality, even more [Re: 9.3x57]
      #176930 - 11/03/11 02:29 AM

thanks for these explanations, really interesting.
Yesterday, I spent quite a few time reading the havoc wolves cause in Idaho. I have been trapped by a seemingly photoshopped picture of a guy holding a giant black wolf, supposed shot in Idaho.



and also reported to have been shot in Alberta.

Regards to wolves, I think you agree with me that they are preying hard on elk, especially calves?

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Re: Idaho anomality, even more [Re: larcher]
      #176954 - 11/03/11 09:31 AM

larcher, calves and adults alike.

Wolves kill bison and grizzly. Adult elk are normal fare and must be. Calves do not support wolf populations. Their caloric requirements demand adult elk, too.

Here in Unit 6, Idaho Fish and Game Department has eliminated the cow elk season after 50+ years of successful cow harvest, this while habitat has been dramatically improving over the past 20 years.

Cause?

Wolves.

Southeast of me, the great Lolo herds are devastated by wolves.

Wolves are a disease that is coursing through the bloodstream of Idaho.

Extirpation gave us 80 years of balance, 80 years of wildly successful game management and sustainable herds of elk and deer. 80 years to bring back from near extinction the Shiras moose. 80 years of filled game poles. Now we see restrictions on hunting, livestock depredations, rural lifestyles forcibly altered {when you find wolf track between the house and the swingset, you do not let your 6-year-old play on the swingset while yo take a nap in the house...}.

Introduction of wolves was an act of eco-terrorism perpetrated on the people of Idaho by the Federal Government thru the rogue, enviro-terrorist US Fish and Wildlife Service, an organization that should be disbanded. The terrorist act was headed up by the terrorist extremist Ed Bangs, supported all the way by eco-terrorist organizations like "Friends of Wildlife" and "Earthjustice" {motto of the latter "Because the Earth needs a good lawyer}.

If wolves were introduced by the US Army into Afghanistan and or Iraq, the US would justifiably be brought up on War Crimes charges. Yet that is what the Federal government has done to us. Americans perpetrating terrorism on Americans.

Laws must be changed.

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Re: Idaho anomality, even more [Re: 9.3x57]
      #176955 - 11/03/11 09:43 AM

larcher;

One more thing.

As to sizes, the largest wolf killed by USDA predator control personnel in Idaho weighed a little over 130 lbs. That is a HUGE wolf here. Reports of 200+ lb wolves have never been substantiated, and here we have seen specific cases of claimed superweight wolves being subsequently weighed and they actually fell within the average sizes as noted below.

The devastation to Idaho's elk and livestock is being done by animals ranging in weight on average from 70 lbs {female} to 120 lbs {big male}. Normally their gut is empty, but a big one shot right after feeding could go as high as 150, as they can consume 30 lbs of meat at one time.

Are there really big ones?

I say who cares, the "medium"-sized wolf is destroying Idaho's culture, so who really cares if there are truly big ones. Interesting, yes, but of consequence to our future, not really.

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