| msorenso |
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| 02/02/05 02:26 PM |
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Does anyone know of a customer gun maker that can make a single shot type of ruger one in 600ne? Thanks for any help
| Marrakai |
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msorenso:
Please update your profile to include your country of residence, then someone may be able to help you.
This is a global community, and that is indeed wonderful, but no point in recommending an Israeli gunsmith to a Palestinian!
| Tom_Bigbore |
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| 02/02/05 06:57 PM |
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You can try SSK http://www.sskindustries.com/splash.htm if you donīt need CIP proofing. I once asked him to built a 577 NE, and he declined on CIP proofing.
If you need CIP proofing I know an austrian gunsmith, he made my #1 in 577 NE.
I posted some pics in the thread below
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=single&Number=6294&page=3&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
br Tom
| msorenso |
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| 03/02/05 12:57 AM |
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I UPDATED MY PROFILE,
I GUESS I KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT NE'S BUT WANT TO LEARN MORE.
FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT IS CID PROOF? IS THAT THE SAME AS A FFL(FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENCE)? SECOND IS WHAT IS THE DIIERENCE BETWEEN 577 AND 600 NE. POWER WISE? THIRD WHAT IS THE DIFF BETWEEN 600 JDJ OR 600 NE ? I AM NEW TO THE NITRO EXPRESS LINE BUT WANT TO LEARN ALL I CAN. THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP. I HAVE MAKDE IT A PERSONAL QUEST TO HAVE SOME CUSTOM BUILD ONE.
| Tom_Bigbore |
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| 03/02/05 02:09 AM |
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Hi msorenso,
CIP is the european standard for dimensioning cartridges incl. specs for max pressure and test procedures. Every single barrel of every gun is proof tested with 30% over the max. pressure given for a specific cartridge.
I donīt know what FFL is, but I know that the american pendant is SAAMI. As you live in the US, you donīt need CIP proofing.
The 577 NE fires a 750 grain bullet at ~2050 ft/s. It started as a Black Powder cartridge. With the availability of Nitro powder (in that times cordite) the cartridge shell has been beefed up and a extremly powerfull cartridge was the result.
The 600 NE fires a 900 grain bullet at about the same velocity, but was yet designed for Nitro powder.
The 600 JDJ is a propriatery cartridge of SSK. He uses the same 577 cartridge shell, straighten it and fires a 600 NE bullet.
The problem with the Ruger #1 is the action size.
The barrel needs to be strong enough to withstand the generated pressure. The chamber for such a big cartridge will not left much material around the area where the barrel is threaded into the action. (see my pics). You will need a barrel made out of the best steel available.
For me the 577 is really all I need and is one of the best stoppers in the world. I tell you my gun could be a bit heavier as it kicks like a mule. ;-)
I understand that you want the biggest caliber at a reasonable price, but it is IMHO a good advice to shoot some of the bigger cartridges before you start.
br Tom
| new_guy |
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| 03/02/05 03:35 AM |
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I'm sure you'll find several capable gunsmiths (makers) capable of making the conversion, but a 600 in a single shot is going to be light on weight and a brutal ride for the unconditioned (and even for most of the conditioned as well.) Worse yet, you 'll probably end up with a muzzle break on it, which will make the experience argueably even worse.
There are several smaller "nitro expresses" availible (with easier-to-find and less expensive components) that would no doubt result in more pleasant ownership and shooting of such a gun.
| msorenso |
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| 03/02/05 04:18 AM |
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jdj sell loaded or hand loading only? Also is nitro powder like stated above, black powder or is it smokeless.And the one that purchase NE rounds is it still black or has it al changed to smokeless? Thanks!
| new_guy |
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| 03/02/05 04:39 AM |
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We're talking smokeless powder.
Kynoch is the only mfg that i know of offering readily available 600 ammo.
They will cost you $144.00 from Galazans for 5, yes five. That's $30.00 every time you pull the trigger.
Unprimed brass is about $8-$10 per round from Midway (Bertram or A-Square).
Woodleighs will run you about $1.50 to $1.70 (softs & solids) per round.
Set of RCBS dies = $375.00.
Figure you end up with $3K in the gun and buy a set of dies (375) and 50 rounds of brass (500)... your in at roughly $4K and haven't even loaded a round yet.
If you WANT one - then get one, but know that owning and feeding one is not an inespensive proposition.
| new_guy |
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| 03/02/05 05:32 AM |
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Here's a used 470 set up like you're talking for sale... for 1900.00.
470 for sale at AR
| msorenso |
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| 03/02/05 10:50 AM |
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Thanks for all the help! I think I will go with either 577 or 600jdj. ONE thing though 577 has a straight case correct? How do they neck it up to 600jdj. If any has a pic that would also be great. All of you have taught me so much. Thanks again!
| Karl |
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577 is slightly tapered.
Second from right, and right is the 600JDJ.
Karl.
| 500grains |
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Westley Richards offers .600 NE factory ammo for $119 for a box of 5 rounds. HOlland & Holland also offers it, but they want about $250 for 5 rounds.
| Kamikaze |
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| 14/02/05 09:41 AM |
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G' day from the U.S.A.!
I'm new to this forum (1st posting).
The Thompson Encore will handle the .600 Nitro cartridge but the barrel blank has to be custom made for the gun maker (very expensive).
I have an SSK Encore .50-140 sharps (3-1/4") (smokeless) pistol with 16" barrel (stainless). I've loaded both 535 gr Woodleigh jacketed bullets, and 700 gr BMG bullets. It's actually pleasant to shoot (at least my psycho-analyst said I'm cured
).I am presently having made a .600 Nitro pistol on the Encore frame (16" stainless) (maybe, I'm NOT SO CURED
). The 16" barrel is costing me US$1026.50 (WITHOUT sights or muzzle brake). The barrel blank cost the gun maker US$521.50 (for 18.5"), so for a rifle barrel (26" & up), well, you do the math.When the pistol is done and I've shot it, I'll post some info. and maybe pictures if someone shows me how to do that without the benefit of my own webpage.
Let me know what you all think.
Bob
| Marrakai |
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| 14/02/05 02:11 PM |
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I think you're mad, but such sweet madness afflicts us all!
...here at NE.com, at least!
Make sure you keep your promise and post the results.
..and welcome to the forum, BTW. You'll fit right in!
| Kamikaze |
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| 23/06/05 02:13 PM |
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Marrakai,
Well, I'm about to keep my promise.
Just received my .600 Nitro Express PISTOL . The barrel was made by Dave Van Horne, on a T-C Encore Stainless frame, Weaver Recoil Proof scope, Horneber brass, Woodleigh 900 gr jacketed bullets, Beartooth 1040gr lead bullets, Hodgdon 4831 powder, Mag Rifle Primers.
The pistol weighs about 7 pounds.
I will be meeting up with a co-worker who is a member of an outdoor shooting club, on the range sometime before next week. I will test the reduced loads first, to get a reality check on the recoil. Then, if I'm still able, will fire the full house loads (both the 900gr/160gr H4831 and the 1040gr/117gr reduced load).
Since I don't have my own web page, if you or someone on this forum will show me how to post the still images, and video clip on this site, I will do so.
Chances are, I will only have one "shot" at this (no pun intended). I have 3 co-workers willing to try the full house loads, but maybe NOT after they see the results of MY shooting it.
We'll see,
Let me know what you guys think.
Bob (Kamikaze)
Aurora, Illinois U.S.A.
| Marrakai |
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| 23/06/05 10:00 PM |
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I suspect the muzzle-blast from 160gr of 4831 in a 16-inch barrel will rival a solar flare!
Gotta see that video clip!
Hopefully, John (NitroX) can host it here somewhere.
Anyone else here reckon a construction hard-hat would be a good idea for that first shot?
| ALAN_MCKENZIE |
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| 24/06/05 09:06 PM |
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Dont forget the flack jacket !!!!
| clark7781 |
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| 25/06/05 01:10 AM |
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Is that a true .600 NE or the .600 JDJ?
| Kamikaze |
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| 25/06/05 02:52 PM |
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Clark,
This is true .600 Nitro express, not a .600 JDJ.
Bob
| Kamikaze |
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| 25/06/05 03:03 PM |
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Alan,
There has been discussion between the 4 of us who will probably pull the trigger (and I'm the only one committed to doing so) as to any personal protection required. (i.e. - shatter-proof goggles, full-face helmet, padded shooting gloves, or maybe having someone else shoot it in proxy.
We're also debating on the target - bowling pins, concrete blocks, tree trunk, pumpkins, 56-inches of wet newspaper, small boulders, etc.
Bob
| Kamikaze |
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| 25/06/05 03:15 PM |
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Forgot about the muzzle blast. Oh well, too late now. Will have to shoot it indoors with the lights out and video the muzzle flash.
I've heard of a .50 cal. handgun club (not sure where it's at) so I'm Thinking about a .60 cal (smokeless) Handgun club, What do you think? It will probably a very small club. The guy in Austria, myself, and possibly my 3 co-workers.
Has anyone else shot the .600 N.E. in a pistol (or something similar)?
Bob
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| 25/06/05 10:34 PM |
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Kamikaze,
How about a picture of this contraption. Maybe you could be holding it with a big possum-faced grin before shootiing, then an action pic of the first shot, and then a pic of the rescue squad cleaning up!
Curl
| Kamikaze |
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| 26/06/05 01:26 AM |
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Curl,
Sooooooooo Funnnnnny! Actually, since I'm a cop, the flack jacket (ballistic vest) was one of the suggestions for protective gear.
I've attached links for the pics (video to come later) of this pistol. I haven't decided what to call it yet, "Dragonslayer", "Beast", "Thing", "Big Bertha", (any suggestions)?.
600 Nitro
600 Nitro Stamping
600 Nitro Ammo
600 Nitro Bore
Come to think of it, I haven't named the other pistol yet. My other pistol, a SSK-Encore .50-140 Sharps (also smokeless), was a respectable handful the first time I shot it. They'll make a formible pair of dueling pistols (a slap in the face anyone?)!
Dueling Pistols
50-140 Ammo
"Mutt & Jeff", "Yin & Yang", "Dumb & Dumber"?
Maybe, I should wait until I shoot this thing . . . . I might just call it "SOLD"!
I'm open to suggestions , thinking about having them inscribed with the names.
Bob (Kamikaze)
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| 26/06/05 02:09 AM |
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Kamikaze,
What are your loads for the .50/140?
I think if I were you I'd be developing a light cast bullet load. . . but that would ruin the whole concept, wouldn't it?
Good luck,
Curl
| Kamikaze |
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| 26/06/05 02:44 AM |
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Curl,
I use 50.7 gr of Accurate Arms 5744 with a Woodleigh 535gr jacketed SP bullet. If I remember correctly, 50gr with the 590gr Beartooth lead bullet.
Bob
| Marrakai |
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| 26/06/05 09:03 PM |
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Kamikaze:
Regarding naming the .600, how 'bout "Kamikaze"!!
| Kamikaze |
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| 26/06/05 11:49 PM |
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Marrakai,
Now, that's food for thought!
Since I'm Kamikaze, it might be more appropriate to call the .600, "Zero". The fighter airplane "Zero" being the explosive-laden destructive device that the Kamikaze pilot flew to destroy the target.
I see the parallel, but it doesn't have that massive sounding name like "Godzilla" or "Dragonslayer", etc.
Maybe, call it the "Devine Wind"?
Bob
| k80 |
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| 27/06/05 09:47 AM |
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On page 4 "African Hunter" 1 2005
there is a letter claiming to have
lost a 375 H&H Thompson Center
pistol "for elephant".
| Kamikaze |
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| 27/06/05 01:14 PM |
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Was this the name for his pistol "for elephant"?
Bob
| rgp |
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| 27/06/05 01:18 PM |
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What about the "Howdah" pistols that were made in heavy calibres for elephant defense?
Richard.
| Kamikaze |
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| 27/06/05 02:09 PM |
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Richard,
What about the Howdah pistols?
Are you referring to the antique Howdah pistols, or the Jurras Howdah pistols? The older Howdahs were loaded with black powder ammo. Lee Jurras made the .500 Jurras and only one (1) .577 Jurras; never anything like the Nitro Express rounds. I have fired all but the .577 Jurras, most of the big bore SSK calibers (including the very rare .588 JDJ) and found them to be relatively comparable to the .50-140 Sharps. I haven't fired the .600 Nitro yet.
Bob
| rgp |
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| 27/06/05 02:27 PM |
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Bob,
I was thinking of the Jurras Howdahs, I did not know he used his own proprietary cartridges for those. At the time he started making them, some of the articles written on them seemed to imply they were more powerful than the original blackpowder Howdahs. I remember the Elmer Keith column in Guns & Ammo wherein Keith stated that the .500 Howdah made by Jurras kicked too much because it touched the brim of his hat when he fired it. I got the impression Keith at the time had a serious case of the "not invented here" syndrome because he stated that his .44 magnum was the most powerful practical cartridge...and said the same in reference to Casull's .454 and heavy .45 Colt loads.
Richard.
| Kamikaze |
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| 27/06/05 03:18 PM |
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Richard,
I have fired all the calibers you mentioned, and many more.
Also, none of the Jurras Howdah pistols (unless custom ordered to be different) had muzzle brakes. My SSK/ Encore .50-140 Sharps has a muzzle brake which is NOT removable, so I don't know what the recoil would be without compensation.
My Van Horne / Encore .600 Nitro express DOES have a removable brake. Depending on my initial experience shooting the .600, will determine whether or not the brake stays on for the next shot.
Although not as terrifying, the only pistol to injure me was a .45-70 Gov't derringer (3" barrel). The hammer came back and cut my hand between thumb and index finger.
Bob
| rgp |
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Bob,
The only reason I mentioned the Howdahs was for a potential name for the beastmaster...come to think of it, "Beastmaster" sounds like a suitable name.
Personally I'm sticking to my comfortable to shoot single action revolvers from Freedom Arms and Ruger, even though I plan to sell all of the remaining Rugers soon to pay for one more Freedom Arms revolver.
Still...if I had a useful right elbow I would consider something larger...maybe up to the level of a .500 Linebaugh.
If trying a pistol in .600 NE I'd be wearing a thick and heavy padded World War 2 flak jacket as issued to bomber crews, none of the thin kevlar bulletproof vest type, and would be wearing it on my head over a football helmet and would definitely leave the muzzle break in place and likely would wimp out before squeezing the trigger.
Richard.
| clark7781 |
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| 28/06/05 11:33 PM |
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Kamikaze:
I heard distance rumbling this past weekend. It could have been fireworks or thunder, but I just to cover all bases; did you fire that .600 yet? If so, I may have heard the blast here in Virginia...
| Kamikaze |
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| 29/06/05 12:03 AM |
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Clark,
No, wasn't me. Waiting for my co-worker to get with me; it'll probably be sometime this week. I've picked up some bowling pins and a small stack of newspaper (may not be enough).
Prior reported tests with ballistic info on the .600 was that a 4-inch beef bone joint packed together with 5 feet of wet newspaper was used. The 900gr bullet went through the total package and destroyed everything. The bowling pin may not survive and 1-foot of newspaper.
I'll will post the pictures and a video clip (or two).
Bob
| clark7781 |
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| 29/06/05 12:17 AM |
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I'd love to see any pics/vids and read a detailed report of that weapon.
Are you planning on doing any hunting with that thing?
| Kamikaze |
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| 29/06/05 01:30 AM |
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Clark,
Although I thought about going on a Safari (if I could ever afford it), I've never hunted and have no plans to do so.
I'm sure having this gun made for me is fulfilling some psychological void or disturbance in my life (in a masacistic sort of way). This could be a "pen-- envy", "mine is bigger than yours", or "keeping up with the Jone's" sort of manical egotistical thing.
I know, I've digressed rapidly to a Neanderthalic period in my genetic makeup.
To answer your question, no. But, I could make the .600 avalable for rent to those hunters who want to be the FIRST, to down a bull elephant with a handgun.
Everything being said, the closer I get to D-Day, the more apprehensive (and nervous) I get.
Bob
| clark7781 |
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| 29/06/05 08:59 AM |
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That would be cool in the field!
I feel the same way about big bore rifles. Saying I love them is an understatement--I'm addicted to them and can't get enough! My pop and I are having Butch build us a .577 double and I can't wait to pop that baby off!
In the mean time, I have to suffice my addiction with my lonely .500 NE....
Oh, the more I think about firing your .600, the more I believe that if I were the one squeezing the trigger, I would likey wear Depends...cause I know I would s**t myself after that recoil!
| Rusty |
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| 08/10/05 10:53 PM |
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Hey Bob,
Is that video of the pistol flying out of the shooter's hand you and your 600 Nitro? WOW!
| clark7781 |
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| 09/10/05 05:36 AM |
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Rusty:
No, Kamikaze held onto the pistol; the guy was one of his friends.
The thing I love about that video is the guy starts off like he is going to shoot it with one hand...
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| 10/10/05 02:43 AM |
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oh, WOW! Imagine what one of your 500 in that pistol would have done? It would have whacked me in the head!
| vikram |
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| 18/10/05 07:49 AM |
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You gentleman are speaking of a video.Where is it?Am I missing the link on this page?TIA.
Best-
Vikram.
| clark7781 |
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| 18/10/05 10:14 PM |
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vikram:
The thread we are talking about can be found here:
Kamikaze and the .600 NE pistol
(The link to the video can be found in the first post by Kamikaze.)
I would suggest first watching Kamikaze shooting it, then watch the other one.
A shooting classic....
| vikram |
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| 19/10/05 06:23 AM |
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Oh, Thanks a bunch ClarK.
Best-
Vikram.