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Yes...the old 870's were the standard of the industry here for many years

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I TOTALLY disagree. at no time in all of history has the 870 been a better gun than the Winchester Model 12...

its funny, my father-in-law has 4 870s, 3 1100s, an Auto5 and a few .22s, the 20ga 100 gets shot once or twice a year.

my dad's model 12s (the two that aren't collector's pieces) have both seens ~100,000+ rounds through the chambers and are absolutely "better" guns in every regard (save cosmetics).

...just my $0.02

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When someone says a rifle is "ugly," what they really mean is "push feed."

-me

(long live the Mauser 98!)

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