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would you say the musket no. 2 is the better hunting cartridge in the end
better than the bigger 577/450?

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Yes and no.

No in the sense that they both use similar bullets and at similar velocities, not better, for the most part equal.

Yes in the sense of being able to make it shoot more accurately with a lot less effort, Musket No.2 is better, "in my opinion".

15-16 years ago when I researched this cartridge I learned both Gibbs and Westley Richards made variations of this cartridge in an attempt to to compete for the eastern European market in direct competition to the 577/450. In long discussion on this cartridge my friend Gert Claes we came to the conclusion that variances between Gibbs and WR Musket are very small, but indeed they are different cartridges. The differences are so small that one can be fired in another Both have ballistics similar to the Martini. The .45 Turkish Peabody-Roumanian Peabody are all minor variations of these cartridges.

The case was a drawn brass case to start and never was a foil case. Case volume and powder charge volume are much closer together than in the Martini and the issue with that are reduced.

I have several guns in this cartridge. The Turkish Martini shot to the sights-I looked for some of the targets I shot back then and couldn't find any.

The Hollis sporting rifle, I need to get back out to the range and shoot. I found the targets I was shooting in preparation for my Moose hunt two years ago.

At first glance the targets are not all that impressive. But consider I was having trouble with double vision and in need of cataract surgery at the time.





While spread horizontally, vertically they are very tight.

Same thing occurred shooting the Greener 500 Express.



The first two show spread horizontally. But when I concentrated and used the darkest of the double image, the gun grouped. First two shots center of mass, second pair 6 o'clock hold.

100 yard targets, all.

I have a New Mexico Elk hunt this year. I might go work with the Hollis some more. I have had cataract surgery and no longer have double vision.

I may try to have that little Belgium Martini pictured above ready to go for that hunt also, we'll see.

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DD, Ret.

Edited by DoubleD (27/06/20 11:27 PM)

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