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Re: slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges
16/07/08 04:18 AM

for tinker

there are not many today who understand how important the pin fire cartridge is, every shotgun cartridge is based on this development from Casimir Lefaucheux.it goes back to 1830 but was realy used 1836 in france. the british patent dates from 1846. you see the new breech loader take a slow walk into the world.we can say that it was accepted around 1850 but many hunter's who know it don't feel they need it.
it was allways the same with the new breechloader. the hunter bougth the primed case and loaded at home or let it loaded from his local gunmaker. I dont know when it starts that the pin fire shell producer start to load it, maybe not before 1860. but then it was allways a shotgun cartridge.I have not found any reference that there was short bore rifle paper case available from a manufacturer.
bore rifle pin fire guns are very rare, there was never enough demand. every rifle came with bullet mould like for a muzzle loading sporting rifle. handloading was common practice!

ok,we imagine a hunter in year of the lord 1855 with a brand new and sophisticated pin fire double rifle. his friends with th egood and only muzzle loader belief he is crazy now, such a breech loader is a mad thing, it will never happen. our hunter need ammo and he order pin fire case's from his gunmaker. it looks than like in 1927 when Fiocchi like most other big european ammo maker's are still making this:

maybe he knows the rigth length of the case, maybe not. he can cut the paper with a special tool like this

or do it the cheap way with a sharp knife. 30mm and 40mm seems to be the rule for a such cases but surviving examples show little difference's, handmade!

28 ga eley 28mm case length

16 ga eley 37,5mm

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slugs, bore gun and paradox cartridges	lancaster	11/07/08 11:50 PM
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