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Re: WWI Sniper Rifle
      01/03/08 12:32 AM

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did they load the big bangers with armour piercing rounds or at least metal jackets?




Have never heard of AP in any NE round. FMJ's do not constitute AP and in fact, depending on bullet configuration and other factors, may demonstrate less penetration than soft point rounds in steel plate.

There is, actually, quite a bit of science involved in AP design. The big NE rounds are pretty much losers in that department, possessing bullets of poor type and too low a velocity for excellent performance.

In addition, think back to the operational demands of countersniping in WW1. After the lines went static, the need for highly accurate rifles with optical sights escalated quickly. Much is made in popular chat about opposing lines of trenches being a football pitch or less distance from each other. This was quite true in some areas but many portions of the lines were much farther apart and in many sectors of the Western Front were not even structured trench systems, being more a conglomeration of shell holes, foxholes and slit trenches. And this last bit was by tactical design late in the war with the brilliant German development of "defence-in-depth". Just SEEING the enemy was a very difficult thing to do, and this does not bode well for Express-sighted rifles of any bore.

Early on the Germans got the jump on the British and French in both identifying the need for snipers, the development of sniper teams {commonly made up of Foresters} and, most importantly for countersniper operations, protection of those teams with hard firing points and visual camouflage in the form of non-linear parapet design.

Bottom line is that an Express-sighted "elephant"-caliber double rifle could not have been more poorly designed for digging out the "Hun". It might be cute to imagine an un-named ex-PWH wrapped up in a sheet of brown Hessian with a charcoal smudged face, Wide Awake hat yanked down close over his eyes and leaning over the top of Piccadilly Parapet "Somewhere in Flanders", changing Fritz's opinions of Deutsches Kultur with 500 grains of Kynoch's best at a {guessed} range of "about" 3-and-a-half rugger pitches but if this ever happened it ranked with winning the Washington State Lottery for odds, and multiple hits for winning the Lottery over and over again.

Unlikely.

The subsequent course of sniper rifle development proves it.

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* WWI Sniper Rifle John 28/02/08 09:48 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle Checkman   15/03/08 02:30 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 9.3x57   16/03/08 12:18 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle John   25/03/08 11:20 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle NitroXAdministrator   03/05/11 04:22 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle xausa   03/05/11 06:21 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle rigbymauser   03/05/11 07:41 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle lancaster   07/05/11 05:42 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle NitroXAdministrator   15/03/08 04:44 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle CptCurlAdministrator   15/03/08 09:58 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle John   01/03/08 06:01 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle NitroXAdministrator   22/08/19 07:26 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle bouldersmith   11/05/17 11:53 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 3DogMike   12/05/17 02:04 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle Gunnie   08/06/11 09:17 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle elvas   08/06/11 05:14 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle lancaster   08/06/11 07:15 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle elvas   08/06/11 07:42 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle DarylS   09/06/11 05:38 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle elvas   11/06/11 07:40 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle NitroXAdministrator   17/01/14 05:48 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle kuduae   17/01/14 07:36 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle kuduae   17/01/14 08:35 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 8borerifle   17/01/14 09:23 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle TH44   17/01/14 10:15 AM
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. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 9.3x57   01/03/08 08:24 AM
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. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 9.3x57   02/03/08 09:34 AM
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. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 9.3x57   03/03/08 01:28 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 9.3x57   10/03/08 11:48 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 9.3x57   13/03/08 11:53 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle mickey   28/02/08 09:52 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle NitroXAdministrator   29/02/08 12:54 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 500Nitro   28/02/08 10:03 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle NitroXAdministrator   28/02/08 12:50 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 9.3x57   28/02/08 03:35 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 500Nitro   28/02/08 03:37 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 9.3x57   29/02/08 12:46 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle Leonard   29/02/08 04:42 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle Bramble   29/02/08 04:50 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle Paul   29/02/08 04:19 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle DarylS   29/02/08 05:39 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 500Nitro   29/02/08 10:55 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 470evans   29/02/08 11:28 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle CptCurlAdministrator   29/02/08 10:46 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle gryphon   29/02/08 05:34 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 9.3x57   01/03/08 12:32 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle John   01/03/08 12:50 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle John   29/02/08 05:54 AM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle 9.3x57   29/02/08 01:45 PM
. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle NitroXAdministrator   29/02/08 12:59 PM
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. * * Re: WWI Sniper Rifle AkMike   28/02/08 06:33 PM

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