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DarylS
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "
25/01/08 05:05 AM

Sarg - thanks for the pictures of the 400gr. "X". We've found the "X" does very well on our large game, but then there have been some 'run-offs' with less than good shooting to blame, when guiding, as with any bullet. The run-offs were aways collected within 150 yards, however which does speak well for the bullet's long wound channel.
: I didn't think the .400gr. "X" would expand as well as it did with such low velocity. It normally takes a very 'soft' normal bullet to work at those speeds - the 405gr. Rem and Winchester origianl .45/70 bullets come to mind. Such performance from the "X" are actually amazing.
: For me, the "X"'s main 'forte' is in the small bores at very high velocities, of course, like my daughter's .260 CLC.
: The Bantang experience just goes to show the higher velocity numbers generally require a correctly designed bullet for the game. All-round performance from a single projectile is rare. The 270gr. Partition might come closer than many, but then the new TSX 235gr. needs further testing in that regard.
: I wonder how that bantang would have reacted to your H&H with 400gr. Speer FN. bang/splat? Does the apparent failure of the Failsafe or "X" 300gr. mean the .375 isn't capable of killing that animal quickly, of course not, but there are those who might argue that point based on a single failure - against all common sense.
: Proper bullets, proper powders - it all makes a difference.
: Can't help thinking about J. Taylor's liking for that old Martini - 480gr. paper patched bullet at 1,380fps.
: We tend to forget how the large calibres with their black powder ballistics worked on the buffalo - it's written that the most buffalo were killed with military .50/70 carbines and rifles - that's only a 450gr. bullet at about 1,150fps to 1,260fps - but - it was .50 cal. and THAT made a difference in itself. I've a picture of some soldiers butchering a buffalo, with a .50/70 Sharps laying against it's hide. There are 7 dead buffalo in the single picture. Guess they air-lifted them in for the 'shot'. [;)]

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"45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	16/12/07 05:39 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Ripp	16/12/07 05:45 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	16/12/07 10:14 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	18/12/07 11:08 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	18/12/07 01:10 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	19/12/07 02:06 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	19/12/07 08:28 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	19/12/07 12:31 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	19/12/07 02:41 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	19/12/07 02:55 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	allenday	21/12/07 09:55 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	22/12/07 01:25 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	allenday	22/12/07 03:49 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	22/12/07 04:34 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	rigbymauser	27/12/07 02:11 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	22/12/07 10:29 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	23/12/07 01:19 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	buckbrush	24/12/07 04:53 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	25/12/07 04:15 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	451whitworth	25/12/07 12:09 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	26/12/07 02:50 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	NitroX	26/12/07 07:02 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	27/12/07 01:13 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	27/12/07 03:00 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	BFaucett	27/12/07 09:17 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	22/01/08 06:33 AM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	451whitworth	27/12/07 12:45 PM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	peter	27/12/07 04:52 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Ripp	27/12/07 02:17 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	451whitworth	22/12/07 11:15 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	22/12/07 01:47 PM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	23/12/07 01:01 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	smicha6551	23/12/07 04:11 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	23/12/07 09:06 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Tatume	22/12/07 04:33 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	22/12/07 12:51 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	19/12/07 03:44 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	20/12/07 03:41 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	21/12/07 01:00 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	20/12/07 02:03 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	20/12/07 03:53 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	19/12/07 09:00 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	17/12/07 09:17 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	SubDoc	28/12/07 06:47 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xring	22/01/08 03:54 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xausa	22/01/08 05:19 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xring	22/01/08 11:54 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	22/01/08 05:15 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xring	22/01/08 11:42 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	22/01/08 06:44 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	23/01/08 12:33 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DDouble	23/01/08 01:28 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xring	23/01/08 02:42 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	23/01/08 05:00 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	23/01/08 10:44 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	24/01/08 12:23 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	24/01/08 02:50 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	500grains	24/01/08 03:53 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	24/01/08 09:32 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	25/01/08 05:05 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	25/01/08 08:46 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	reflex264	24/01/08 12:37 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	24/01/08 01:15 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	24/01/08 08:00 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	25/01/08 04:19 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	25/01/08 10:04 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	04/02/08 08:06 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	24/01/08 12:20 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	24/01/08 02:43 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xring	23/01/08 10:33 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xausa	23/01/08 04:02 AM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	23/01/08 05:34 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	18/12/07 12:12 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	18/12/07 12:34 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	17/12/07 10:43 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	18/12/07 12:40 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	18/12/07 05:17 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	peter	18/12/07 07:12 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	18/12/07 08:18 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	18/12/07 08:36 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	peter	18/12/07 01:52 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	18/12/07 03:14 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	18/12/07 03:38 AM

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