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Re: Krieghoff Classic Big Five in .458 Win Mag
01/01/08 07:46 AM

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The point being you don't weight till the middle of a charge to take the safety off so why would you weight to cock your Krieghoff.

Sorry, but that's a particularly irresponsible statement, as what you describe is unsafe gun handling procedure. The safety is disengaged only when the rifle is mounted to shoot. If you've stopped, mounted the rifle and are waiting on the shot, fine, the safety can be off. At any other time, the safety of a rifle or shotgun should be "on". This is especially true when you're under stress and expecting the need for a snap shot any second - because people make mistakes under stress, and that's when failure to follow proper procedures are so potentially fatal. That's why safety procedures are drilled - so that you'll do what you trained under stress.

One of the most important aspects of good safety design is speed of use and, unfortunately, it's also the one most often ignored. With a long gun, if having the safety engaged makes ANY difference in the elapsed time between "Oh shit" and "bang", whether the shooter is expecting a snap shot or not, then there are only have two choices: 1) the shooter hasn't mastered the weapon well enough yet to be using it in the field, or 2) poor design - and this is more true with the double rifle than any other weapon. With a good design, and a competent shooter, there's zero incentive to punch off the safety until the instant the shot is wanted, as doing so offers zero speed advantage, and therefore, no incentive to violate safety procedure. Safety designs become inherently more dangerous as they become more cumbersome, because of the user's tendency to avoid the problem by punching the safety off prematurely. I was very nearly killed when another hunter did exactly what you described for exactly that reason, and have zero tolerance for such nonsense.

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The thing I like is it is absolutely safe when not cocked.

A safety that renders the weapon inert when on safe is fine, but it doesn't do a damn bit of good when it isn't engaged, and the K-gun design encourages that condition for too many.

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After you practice with the Krieghoff you will find the safety to be second nature as it should be and when you have game in your sights you won’t notice the slight increase in effort to move the safety lever.

I have a lot of time in with the Krieghoff, and find none of that statement to be true. The "increase in effort" certainly isn't "slight". I understand what Steve meant when he wrote:

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I'm sure there's a lot of folks out there who will disagree with me but I personally think that silly cocking lever/safety catch takes away all the advantages of having a double rifle. One of the main requirements of a Damgerous Game rifle is that you can get it into action very quickly.....

Gregor Woods tried one, and gave the same opinion of it in his book "Rifles for Africa". Like a lot of other folks, I couldn't agree more.

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Krieghoff Classic Big Five in .458 Win Mag	smicha6551	10/03/06 11:38 PM
Re: Krieghoff Classic Big Five in .458 Win Mag	DUGABOY1	29/12/07 12:29 PM
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Re: Krieghoff Classic Big Five in .458 Win Mag	Bill_Cooley	31/12/07 04:06 PM
Re: Krieghoff Classic Big Five in .458 Win Mag	ozhunter	02/01/08 03:46 PM
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