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DarylS
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "
25/12/07 04:15 AM

It it was Scovil - he should have known better. The Winchester 50-110 and the .45/90 as well, have too slow rifling twists for the length of the bullets used in them. They were meant for very short-for-calibre bullets, which didn't help matters. This resulted in poor penetration, such that the Winchester .45 and .50 cal rifles were the laughing stock of the buffalo plains. RCBS made or makes a mould for a .510" 450gr. which, if driven 2,000fps or over, cast of WW metal which was then hardened, would have done the job given proper shooting. Trouble is, the 450gr. bullet is too long for the 32"(.45/90) to 56"(.50-110) rifling (jury is out on the twist actually used) twist of those leverguns. I have seen 'duplication' .50 Wnchester barrels for sale for the .50/95 and .50/110 that have 56" twists. This is a round ball twist in .50 to .60 calibre, not a slug twist.
; The .50 Alaskan with a proper 15" to 24" twist is very much different than the .50-110 Winchester in both power and penetration. The high velocty load for the .50-110 was a short light 350gr. at sometihg like 2,200fps, while a strong lever gun will do about 2,000fps with a 450gr. .50 bullet. Chambered in a strong, single shot action, the Alaskan will do about 2,100fps wihth a 520gr.
; Buckbrush, I doubt this was the incident mentioned. Could have been though, you just never know.

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"45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	16/12/07 05:39 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Ripp	16/12/07 05:45 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	16/12/07 10:14 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	18/12/07 11:08 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	18/12/07 01:10 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	19/12/07 02:06 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	19/12/07 08:28 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	19/12/07 12:31 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	19/12/07 02:41 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	19/12/07 02:55 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	allenday	21/12/07 09:55 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	22/12/07 01:25 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	allenday	22/12/07 03:49 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	22/12/07 04:34 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	rigbymauser	27/12/07 02:11 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	22/12/07 10:29 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	23/12/07 01:19 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	buckbrush	24/12/07 04:53 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	25/12/07 04:15 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	451whitworth	25/12/07 12:09 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	26/12/07 02:50 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	NitroX	26/12/07 07:02 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	27/12/07 01:13 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	27/12/07 03:00 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	BFaucett	27/12/07 09:17 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	22/01/08 06:33 AM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	451whitworth	27/12/07 12:45 PM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Ripp	27/12/07 02:17 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	451whitworth	22/12/07 11:15 AM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	23/12/07 01:01 AM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	23/12/07 09:06 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Tatume	22/12/07 04:33 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	22/12/07 12:51 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	19/12/07 03:44 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	20/12/07 03:41 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	21/12/07 01:00 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	20/12/07 02:03 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	20/12/07 03:53 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	19/12/07 09:00 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	17/12/07 09:17 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	SubDoc	28/12/07 06:47 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xring	22/01/08 03:54 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xausa	22/01/08 05:19 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xring	22/01/08 11:54 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	22/01/08 05:15 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xring	22/01/08 11:42 AM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	23/01/08 12:33 AM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xring	23/01/08 02:42 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	23/01/08 05:00 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	23/01/08 10:44 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	24/01/08 12:23 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	24/01/08 02:50 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	500grains	24/01/08 03:53 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	24/01/08 09:32 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	25/01/08 05:05 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	25/01/08 08:46 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	reflex264	24/01/08 12:37 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	24/01/08 01:15 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	24/01/08 08:00 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	25/01/08 04:19 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	25/01/08 10:04 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	04/02/08 08:06 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	24/01/08 12:20 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	24/01/08 02:43 AM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	xausa	23/01/08 04:02 AM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	23/01/08 05:34 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	18/12/07 12:12 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	18/12/07 12:34 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	17/12/07 10:43 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	18/12/07 12:40 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	18/12/07 05:17 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	peter	18/12/07 07:12 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	18/12/07 08:18 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	18/12/07 08:36 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	peter	18/12/07 01:52 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	18/12/07 03:14 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	JabaliHunter	18/12/07 03:38 AM

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