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The 458 Win. Mag. has had a checkered career in its own right, yet it's considerably faster and more versatile than the 45-70 is, and I have personally used it on dangerous African big game such as buffalo and hippo, as well as plainsgame. It's a better dangerous game cartridge than the 45-70 is (it couldn't be any other way), and the faster 458s and 416s are better yet. So the 45-70 loses that battle by default.

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Although many people believe faster is better, I'm not one of them. In my opinion, 2100 fps or less is ideal for penetration on heavy beasts, and 2700 fps is best for medium game. I will admit though, that I've shot an awful lot of deer and hogs with 45 cal, 300 gr bullets (including the 45-70) started between 2100 and 2500 fps. Not one has taken another step.

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