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DarylS
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "
20/12/07 03:41 AM

We sometimes fail to recognize what has transpired in the past, when we think of modern equipment for large and dangerous game. I acknowledge here and now that an Indian Elephant is not the same as an African variety, however these results are interesting.
; Back prior to 1860, Samual Baker once wrote in "The Field" magazine, referring to a 14 bore double rifle, that: " A ball of that size, if hardened somewhat and is driven by 4 to 4 1/2 drams of fine powder, will go through and through an elephant's head. I do not think this 'calibre' can be improved upon."
; We know he used much larger bores later, in Africa, 4 bore at least, and maybe 2, but was he happy with the 'little' 14 bore in India for epephant and buffalo? I think so. Most 14's of that era used a 15 bore ball, roughly .675" in diameter - about 470gr. in slightly hardened lead, bit heavier if murcury was used for hardening, when driven at a mere 1,400fps max, would exit an elephant's head or at least go side to side. Baker did prefer the side brain shot with this 'calibre'.
: Now, who thinks a .458" bullet of 100gr. MORE weight, will not penetrate to the brain? While I wouldn't use it for such, I think perhaps it is quite capable - especially if driven to 1,850fps.

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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Ripp	16/12/07 05:45 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	16/12/07 10:14 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	18/12/07 11:08 AM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	19/12/07 02:06 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	19/12/07 08:28 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	9.3x57	19/12/07 12:31 PM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	Sarg	19/12/07 02:41 PM
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Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	hoppdoc	22/12/07 10:29 AM
Re: "45-70 is the way to go from Ele to T Rex "	DarylS	23/12/07 01:19 PM
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