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DarylS
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Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT??
      15/12/07 01:40 AM

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DM - not once did I say buckshot was harmless at 25 yards.




How about at 50 yards? At what range in "your" opinion does buckshot become harmless?

DM



; To humans, as long as it is airborn, it is harmful. We aren't talkiing about it being harmfull, but lethal to big game. Into that argument also comes 'ethical'. The problem with buckshot is there are few pellets in a load and they are all of light weight, starting initially at a low speed. Most states will not allow use of round balls of less size than .45 for hunting of deer or other 'big' game during the muzzleloading season. Some States allow as small as .40's, which is a 90 to 94 gr. ball, 50% greater weight than a single 000 buck. The reason for not allowing the .40's is lack of penetration, yet on smaller deer, they seem to do OK as long as no bones are hit. Now, those little .40 cal. balls are normally starting out at 2,000fps to 2,300fps and yet they are legislated against in most States. I shoot a .40 myself for target competition, have a .45 barrel for the deer around here, I wouldn't consider shooting one with the .40 round ball. Will it kill a deer - yes, given the best conditions, shooting angles, etc - maybe every time. Would it penetrate to the off lung of a moose on a broadside shot - I don't know, doubt it and will never find out - it isn't an ethical moose calibre in my books & neither is a .45. Is there a big possibility of somthing going wrong and merely wounding the deer - yes, and that's why I won't use it. Moose hunters seem to agree that .50 is the minimum and only a 50 yard moose rifle at best. That's a 180gr. ball, 1/2" in diameter, starting at 1,8000 to 2,000fps. I will probably make up a new barrel in .50 cal. for my rifle, just to have a more effective ball for deer shooting - or buy the English Flinter .58 I've got my eye on and have a descent moose rifle as well. I have a lot more faith in a 285gr. ball. A smaller ball may result in a dead animal, but I'd rather do my hunting before the shot.

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* WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57 26/11/07 02:08 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? gblrklr   23/02/08 02:58 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   24/02/08 12:56 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   24/02/08 04:02 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? gblrklr   24/02/08 05:44 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? kcordell   26/02/08 08:37 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   20/03/08 02:49 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Nakihunter   20/03/08 09:31 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   20/03/08 10:09 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   20/03/08 02:34 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Marrakai   20/03/08 06:27 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   21/03/08 01:16 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Marrakai   21/03/08 09:55 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   03/04/08 01:42 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 450_366   03/04/08 01:49 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? apr1775   13/10/08 12:27 AM
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. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? apr1775   13/10/08 10:46 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Tatume   13/10/08 12:38 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   03/04/08 01:54 AM
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. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Tatume   19/03/08 10:57 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? bwananelson   23/02/08 03:31 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? gblrklr   23/02/08 03:36 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? tinker   23/02/08 04:24 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? luv2safari   03/01/08 05:56 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   04/01/08 03:28 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Yogi000   15/01/08 07:43 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? xausa   15/12/07 05:41 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Yogi000   15/12/07 07:39 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   15/12/07 09:42 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? xausa   15/12/07 10:06 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   17/12/07 01:40 AM
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. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? mehulkamdar   14/12/07 07:38 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   14/12/07 12:45 PM
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. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DM   04/12/07 03:13 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   07/12/07 01:17 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DM   09/12/07 07:03 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Yogi000   11/12/07 05:15 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   11/12/07 01:10 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   11/12/07 02:41 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Nakihunter   11/12/07 08:39 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   12/12/07 01:00 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Yogi000   12/12/07 03:52 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DM   12/12/07 09:49 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Birdhunter50   30/06/08 11:56 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? gryphon   21/03/08 03:53 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 450_366   03/04/08 01:22 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   13/12/07 02:08 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Tatume   13/12/07 02:34 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Dave_Hall   13/12/07 07:33 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   13/12/07 08:05 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   13/12/07 09:03 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DM   13/12/07 11:07 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   13/12/07 11:41 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   13/12/07 03:52 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DM   14/12/07 03:44 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   15/12/07 01:40 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? JabaliHunter   14/12/07 04:52 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? smicha6551   14/12/07 06:48 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DM   14/12/07 11:32 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Tatume   14/12/07 09:54 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   15/12/07 01:52 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Tatume   15/12/07 03:28 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Yogi000   13/12/07 02:06 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   12/12/07 08:53 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Yogi000   07/12/07 06:40 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   28/11/07 06:03 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Shackleton   27/11/07 03:24 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? ALAN_MCKENZIE   27/11/07 12:57 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Tatume   26/11/07 03:10 AM
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