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Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT??
      12/12/07 01:00 AM

Naki:

What a great account. That is exactly the stuff I was looking for when I posted the thread.

I too have wondered about an improved loading of 000/LG since stumbling upon some boxes of the stuff many years ago. I found that in a cursory hodgepodge testing it penetrated similarly to 00. We must remember, though, that "penetration" with buckshot is not as repeatable as it is with a rifle bullet. By that I mean that the pellets in a given shot fired do not all penetrate the same. Even in an homogenous medium some pellets penetrate far less than others. I suspect that improved loadings of LG/000 might beat 00 for game shooting.

Anyway, I tested 11 different loads in two different shotguns for the piece I wrote for Nyala News.

I used an 18x18 inch square backer, fired the shots and covered the densest concentration of pellets with an 8.5x11 inch sheet of typing paper. That method was used in order to give every advantage to the buckshot in recognition that guns shoot to different POI and a buckshot gun is best "sighted in" like a rifle. Some guns that shoot a pattern close to the rib will toss buckshot to a different POI. I did not want to skew the results by saying the gun shot poorly if it did not put its pattern right under the bead because naturally, a shooter can hold "Kentucky Windage" or resight his gun to suit his favored buckshot load if he likes. Anyway, the number of hits recorded was the number that fell under the piece of 8.5x11 typing paper, an arbitrary "kill zone" by my definition for testing purposes.

Unfortunately, I only had a small amount of 000 {Federal 2 3/4" 000} available to me so I only shot it in one gun, a Beretta 424 double. It averaged 6 hits from the full choke barrel and 7 hits from the IM bbl at 25 yards. Various 2 3/4" loads from that gun and also a tubed Ithaca 87 produced 4 to 7 hits!!

It struck me at the time that this was darn revealing!

And incidently, the 3" 00 loads produced 7 to 8 hits, barely any improvement over the 2 3/4 inch loads. {However, the 3" 00 loads did place additional pellets into the 18x18 backer, some of which, on a deer, would likely "help out" though they wouldn't necessarily be in the kill zone/vitals.}

Your LG has, in my opinion, great potential.

On another point, we in the "West" think we are such great experimental handloaders. A friend of mine was a missionary in Liberia for years and he reported to me the use of modified shotgun shells, mostly in cheap singleshot shotguns, was routine driven mostly by the variability of what was available on the street so-to-speak. And some of the modifications were quite interesting. Such shells were used on a wide variety of bush meat and other things as well.

Thanks for your input Naki. As 500Nitro would say, "Top Stuff"!

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* WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57 26/11/07 02:08 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? gblrklr   23/02/08 02:58 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   24/02/08 12:56 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   24/02/08 04:02 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? gblrklr   24/02/08 05:44 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? kcordell   26/02/08 08:37 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   20/03/08 02:49 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Nakihunter   20/03/08 09:31 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   20/03/08 10:09 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   20/03/08 02:34 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Marrakai   20/03/08 06:27 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   21/03/08 01:16 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Marrakai   21/03/08 09:55 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   03/04/08 01:42 AM
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. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? apr1775   13/10/08 12:27 AM
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. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Tatume   13/10/08 12:38 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   03/04/08 01:54 AM
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. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Tatume   19/03/08 10:57 PM
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. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DM   04/12/07 03:13 AM
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. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Yogi000   11/12/07 05:15 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   11/12/07 01:10 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   11/12/07 02:41 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Nakihunter   11/12/07 08:39 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   12/12/07 01:00 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Yogi000   12/12/07 03:52 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DM   12/12/07 09:49 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Birdhunter50   30/06/08 11:56 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? gryphon   21/03/08 03:53 PM
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. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   13/12/07 02:08 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Tatume   13/12/07 02:34 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Dave_Hall   13/12/07 07:33 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   13/12/07 08:05 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   13/12/07 09:03 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DM   13/12/07 11:07 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? 9.3x57   13/12/07 11:41 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   13/12/07 03:52 PM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DM   14/12/07 03:44 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   15/12/07 01:40 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? JabaliHunter   14/12/07 04:52 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? smicha6551   14/12/07 06:48 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DM   14/12/07 11:32 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Tatume   14/12/07 09:54 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   15/12/07 01:52 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Tatume   15/12/07 03:28 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Yogi000   13/12/07 02:06 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? DarylS   12/12/07 08:53 AM
. * * Re: WHO uses BUCKSHOT?? Yogi000   07/12/07 06:40 AM
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