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Re: Target for zeroing with open sights
10/12/07 11:11 AM

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IMHO a lot of nonsense has been written about this 'wandering POI' supposedly caused by a round bead fore-sight, and I believe the furphy was probably started by paper-punchers rather than hunters.

I couldn't agree more. I've never had that problem with a bead that is correctly made, but most of the current stuff isn't.

Look at the sight under number 2 of 93Mouse's "Merkel Open Sights" string. The bead sticks out from the stem by, what, maybe 1/8"? It shouldn't be more than a couple thou. And the face of the bead is round. That kind of bead gives me fits - glare from the sides of the bead and sidelights from the round face - no wonder some have trouble with them. Filed flat and angled slightly upward and the sides painted out with flat black would improve it a lot. A platinum bead that lies flat on the stem and is angled slightly upward is easy to see in poor light and doesn't suffer from glare and sidelights in good lighting conditions, and the perceived center does not shift.

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Originally posted by Bill Cooley:

I would think the 12:00 hold would be quite difficult because you would have a hard time seeing when your are breaking out of the bull into the white.

That might be true with some target designs, but that's easily corrected with a different target, and it isn't true at all with game. It's also true with a bead that is uselessly large, which is why I won't use anything over .080".

I much prefer for a hunting rifle to put the bullet center bead. Especially on moving game, I find it much easier to just swing the bead through the spot I want the bullet to go than doing the same while trying to maintain a 6 o'clock hold. For snap shooting, I also find it faster to just stick the bead on the spot I want to hit, rather than screwing with some silly 6 o'clock hold.

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Originally posted by 9.3X57:

No Army has gravitated to beads over the years and for good reason.

Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with hunting rifles, neither does competition target shooting. Battle sights are not hunting sights and never have been. Battle sights are not what's "needed" for a military purpose, they're what's cheap and procurable, with durability and function not even a distant last place. Anybody that thinks otherwise is pulling the cork a too often. Thank God I've never had to rely on military designs for hunting purposes!

Pistol sights (square notch and flat top post) have no place on a hunting rifle. They don't have the precision and disappear in failing light long before a good express design does.

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Originally posted by 9.3X57:

Yes, the V/Bead was overtaken by sights more effective FOR MORE PEOPLE for both speed and precision shooting.

What ineffable twaddle. That certainly is not true for those not constrained by a military straight-jacket. You don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

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Subject	Posted by	Posted on
Target for zeroing with open sights	93mouse	06/12/07 11:04 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	hoppdoc	07/12/07 12:29 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	Marrakai	07/12/07 03:29 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	DarylS	08/12/07 03:46 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	9.3x57	09/12/07 01:19 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	JPK	09/12/07 01:36 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	9.3x57	09/12/07 02:09 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	Bill_Cooley	09/12/07 01:57 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	JPK	10/12/07 02:03 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	9.3x57	09/12/07 02:22 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	Marrakai	09/12/07 04:50 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	9.3x57	10/12/07 01:19 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	peter	10/12/07 04:06 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	9.3x57	10/12/07 09:18 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	DarylS	10/12/07 09:47 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	Marrakai	09/12/07 01:45 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	400NitroExpress	10/12/07 11:11 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	DarylS	10/12/07 11:48 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	400NitroExpress	11/12/07 02:59 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	9.3x57	11/12/07 03:45 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	DarylS	11/12/07 11:40 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	Rustyzipper	11/12/07 10:03 AM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	9.3x57	10/12/07 12:26 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	JPK	10/12/07 01:38 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	9.3x57	10/12/07 02:00 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	Ripp	10/12/07 02:24 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	JPK	10/12/07 02:28 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	9.3x57	10/12/07 02:37 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	JPK	10/12/07 03:00 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	9.3x57	10/12/07 03:22 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	JPK	10/12/07 02:17 PM
Re: Target for zeroing with open sights	JPK	10/12/07 01:51 PM

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