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xausa
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Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?
20/11/07 08:49 AM

I couldn't agree more. A few years ago there was an article in Precision Shooting about 1000 yard deer hunting, which I consider an abomination, and it went on to mention shooting a black bear at that range.

What perple tend to forget, if they ever knew, is that it takes a perceptible time even for a high velocity bullet to reach it's target, and unless the target is inanimate or tethered, there is a chance that it will move after the shot has been fired and before the bullet arrives.

In other words, even in the unlikely event that the shooter is able to judge the range correctly, allow for drop, judge the wind correctly and allow for it, and the execute a perfect shot with a 1/2" of angle rifle, using 1/2" of angle ammunition, it is still possible to miss, or worse yet, to wound. Dealing with a wounded deer from a thousand yards away, and likely as not, across a canyon from the shooter, let alone a wounded bear, is not something a true sportsman will contemplate.

All this aside from the fact that even a bullet from .30/.340 Weatherby will have no more energy than a .30-30 by the time it arrives, even if the most ballistically sound bullet is used, which it shouldn't be, since those bullets are designed to perform at a much higher velocity, and will probably fail to expand properly. A bullet designed for .30-30 velocity would be travelling far slower on arrival.

I once had a 300 yard shot on a Beisa Oryx which was quartering away from me to the right. I aimed to shoot through the boiler room and break the left shoulder. After the shot broke, my PH, who was watching through binoculars, remarked, "He took a step just as you fired." I was using my pre-64 Model 70 .300 H&H with 180 grain Silvertip factory ammunition.

Fortunately, we were on an open plain, and able to follow tha oryx for over a mile in the Land Cruiser. When he finally succombed, he was discovered to have been hit about a foot to the rear of where I was aiming. Even so, it took two additional shots to bring him down. Had we not been in such an open area, he would have escaped to die in agony, or to be eaten alive by lions or hyenas. Not a fit end for such a noble animal.

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358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	Woodbeef	07/01/07 01:00 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	jro45	24/11/07 11:26 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	xausa	19/11/07 03:21 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	Nakihunter	19/11/07 07:44 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	333_okh	19/11/07 08:38 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	DarylS	20/11/07 02:24 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	xausa	20/11/07 08:49 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	9.3x57	20/11/07 10:22 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	333_okh	23/11/07 02:37 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	DarylS	24/11/07 04:09 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	jro45	01/12/07 12:20 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	DarylS	01/12/07 01:40 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	FourWinds	24/11/07 05:13 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	xausa	25/11/07 12:51 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	hoppdoc	25/11/07 01:42 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	9.3x57	25/11/07 01:33 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	bonanza	24/11/07 06:58 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	allenday	24/05/07 11:46 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	DarylS	26/05/07 01:54 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	Blacktail53	26/06/07 01:24 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	DarylS	27/06/07 03:46 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	9.3x57	27/06/07 11:34 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	Blacktail53	27/06/07 11:53 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	4seventy	13/03/07 12:58 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	9.3x57	20/05/07 11:32 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	NE450No2	22/05/07 04:40 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	DM	03/03/07 03:23 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	Woodbeef	03/03/08 07:55 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	DarylS	10/01/07 07:19 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	500grains	15/01/07 12:15 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	400NitroExpress	25/11/07 07:31 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	500grains	01/12/07 02:50 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	bonanza	18/12/07 02:17 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	Blacktail53	31/12/07 02:05 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	bonanza	03/03/08 11:05 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	DarylS	03/03/08 12:59 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	JabaliHunter	01/01/08 03:05 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	DarylS	06/02/08 08:19 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	12FVSS260	06/02/08 06:10 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	9.3x57	01/12/07 01:39 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	400NitroExpress	06/12/07 05:30 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	4seventy	06/12/07 10:15 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	Rustyzipper	12/02/07 03:47 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	luv2safari	07/01/07 02:51 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	475Guy	07/01/07 05:29 PM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	blackberry9	08/01/07 12:01 AM
Re: 358 Win.....Good Choice or Dog?	BFaucett	07/01/07 02:14 PM

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