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Re: New Double Cartridge needed??
15/11/07 01:28 PM

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I think there could be a gap in the .400 to .450 calibre class. The .450/.400 is rightly popular and even undergoing a bit of a revival, although some might consider it a bit on the slow side. There is the .500/.416, which is a bit faster but needs a larger framed DR.

I don't think there's ever been much of a perception that there was a gap there. It's been there for 110 years, and the only attempt to split the difference hasn't done particularly well. This is primarily because the .450/.400 worked so well and was so successful - more double rifles have been built in .400 than any other over .40 caliber. It wasn't on the slow side. It set the over .40 flanged nitro velocity standard that the others followed. If something larger were desired, a .450 was the next logical step.

No, the .500/.416 doesn't require a larger frame. It hasn't set the world on fire because, as good as it is, it suffers badly from the perception that it kicks as hard as a .450 or .470 and crowds the pressure of the .375 Flanged Magnum (the price of breaking the velocity pattern). For that reason it's usually skipped over in favor of either the .450/.400 or .470. Nice .400s are as easy to sell as .470s these days.

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Personally, I would love to see a straight walled express cartridge firing a .423 (.404 Jefferey) calibre 450 grain bullet

Same issues as the .500/.416. A rifle for a straight case .423 with a 450 grain bullet at standard velocity will weigh just as much as a .450/.470 and produce just as much recoil, so why bother?

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at a genuine 2150 to 2250 fps.

...and that will drive the pressure up well over .375 Flanged Magnum levels with a straight case. Seems like everybody is a velocity hound these days. None of the over .40 flanged nitros ever did that in the field, and all were successful and proved more than adequate.

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New Double Cartridge needed??	hoppdoc	17/06/07 11:18 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	JabaliHunter	15/11/07 04:52 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	400NitroExpress	15/11/07 01:28 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	JabaliHunter	16/11/07 04:44 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	400NitroExpress	21/11/07 09:05 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	JabaliHunter	23/11/07 06:46 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Shanster	21/11/07 09:30 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Chasseur	15/11/07 05:57 AM
to hopp.....	escard	03/07/07 09:47 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	fuhrmann	21/06/07 05:56 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	500Nitro	17/06/07 11:43 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	hoppdoc	17/06/07 12:24 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Sarg	17/06/07 02:57 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	EricCioe	17/06/07 03:54 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	hoppdoc	17/06/07 10:03 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	bonanza	17/06/07 11:19 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	bonanza	18/06/07 03:13 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	hoppdoc	18/06/07 05:38 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	bonanza	18/06/07 06:38 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Mike_McGuire	18/06/07 08:32 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	bonanza	18/06/07 10:15 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Ripp	18/06/07 10:45 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	dnovo	18/06/07 11:06 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Tatume	19/06/07 05:49 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	bonanza	19/06/07 06:48 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	AzGuy	19/06/07 10:11 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	hoppdoc	18/06/07 10:43 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	bonanza	18/06/07 09:56 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Ripp	18/06/07 12:27 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Mike_McGuire	18/06/07 11:32 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	hoppdoc	18/06/07 12:37 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	400NitroExpress	20/06/07 03:28 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	hoppdoc	20/06/07 08:10 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Fladude	21/11/07 05:13 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	maddenwh	30/07/07 09:35 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	400NitroExpress	01/08/07 01:09 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	hoppdoc	01/08/07 07:10 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	400NitroExpress	01/08/07 07:32 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	hoppdoc	01/08/07 04:32 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	maddenwh	01/08/07 08:01 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	400NitroExpress	15/11/07 12:13 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	bonanza	01/08/07 07:21 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	NitroX	20/06/07 09:05 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Savuti_One_Shot	29/07/07 01:12 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	hoppdoc	29/07/07 06:58 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	hoppdoc	21/06/07 11:50 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Rustyzipper	02/07/07 10:05 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	9.3x57	03/07/07 10:23 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	bonanza	28/07/07 11:05 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	unspellable	04/07/07 04:14 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	escard	04/07/07 04:43 PM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	unspellable	10/07/07 02:25 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	enfieldspares	28/07/07 07:36 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	Bramble	28/07/07 08:12 AM
Re: New Double Cartridge needed??	500grains	18/06/07 12:52 AM

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