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JPK
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Re: dangerous game
20/05/06 12:46 PM

It is not adequate for frontal shots on elephants. It doesn't push a suitable bullet at moderate velocities but slow velocities.

The older 458wm factory loads, and some new ones too, barely get to moderate velocity with an adequate bullet. But the 458wm can be loaded to suitable velocity while the 45/70 cannot.

2000fps with a steel jacketed 500 grain solid seems to be the consensus of minimum velocity for consistent, adequate penetration for elephant body or frontal brain shots.

A rifle and cartridge combination is only adequate if it is suitable for stopping a charge from an elephant or buff, at least in my veiw. The 45/70 doesn't make that ctiterium for elephant, at least, and is therefore not even marginal.

There are so many more suitable cartridges, including the 375H&H - renoun for its penetration with solids and legal too, and they are all more versatile. Beating the dead horse again doesn't make the 45/70 a DG cartridge. In fact, all of the hot (over?)loads only get the 45/70 to the ballistics of the Brit 450BPE's. Even a hundred and ten or twenty years ago they weren't considered DG cartridges, though they saw occasional DG use. Nothing has changed in this regard.

JPK

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dangerous game	45s_save_lives	19/05/06 04:31 PM
Re: dangerous game	allenday	20/05/06 10:50 PM
Re: dangerous game	SAHUNT	21/05/06 12:34 AM
Re: dangerous game	45s_save_lives	21/05/06 03:45 AM
Re: dangerous game	tinker	22/05/06 04:25 AM
Re: dangerous game	EricD	22/05/06 05:17 AM
Re: dangerous game	ALAN_MCKENZIE	21/05/06 01:10 PM
Re: dangerous game	SAHUNT	21/05/06 05:56 PM
Re: dangerous game	ALAN_MCKENZIE	21/05/06 07:15 PM
Re: dangerous game	SAHUNT	21/05/06 08:26 PM
Re: dangerous game	ALAN_MCKENZIE	21/05/06 08:46 PM
Re: dangerous game	SAHUNT	21/05/06 09:40 PM
Re: dangerous game	JPK	22/05/06 01:47 AM
Re: dangerous game	500grains	23/05/06 01:58 AM
Re: dangerous game	45s_save_lives	23/05/06 05:18 AM
Re: dangerous game	NitroX	23/05/06 06:21 PM
Re: dangerous game	500grains	23/05/06 07:08 AM
Re: dangerous game	bulldog563	22/05/06 04:39 PM
Re: dangerous game	JPK	22/05/06 11:23 PM
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Re: dangerous game	jorge	23/05/06 09:29 AM
Re: dangerous game	JPK	23/05/06 10:20 AM
Re: dangerous game	500grains	23/05/06 10:13 AM
Re: dangerous game	NitroX	23/05/06 06:25 PM
Re: dangerous game	BFaucett	24/05/06 12:41 AM
Re: dangerous game	hoppdoc	24/05/06 01:26 AM
Re: dangerous game	NitroX	24/05/06 03:23 AM
Re: dangerous game	ALAN_MCKENZIE	23/05/06 11:07 AM
Re: dangerous game	hoppdoc	23/05/06 10:20 AM
Re: dangerous game	45s_save_lives	22/05/06 07:18 AM
Re: dangerous game	NitroX	22/05/06 01:30 PM
Re: dangerous game	BFaucett	22/05/06 08:51 AM
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Re: dangerous game	luv2safari	22/05/06 12:54 PM
Re: dangerous game	45s_save_lives	22/05/06 10:31 AM
Re: dangerous game	JPK	22/05/06 11:17 AM
Re: dangerous game	Grizzly	21/05/06 02:33 PM
Re: dangerous game	Charles_Helm	21/05/06 04:17 AM
Re: dangerous game	NitroX	20/05/06 05:25 PM
Re: dangerous game	DPhillips	21/05/06 04:21 AM
Re: dangerous game	45s_save_lives	21/05/06 09:39 AM
Re: dangerous game	hoppdoc	21/05/06 01:02 PM
Re: dangerous game	DPhillips	21/05/06 12:44 PM
Re: dangerous game	NitroX	22/05/06 01:21 PM
Re: dangerous game	bulldog563	20/05/06 07:42 PM
Re: dangerous game	500grains	20/05/06 02:42 PM
Re: dangerous game	Charles_Helm	21/05/06 04:14 AM
Re: dangerous game	hoppdoc	19/05/06 08:35 PM
Re: dangerous game	45s_save_lives	20/05/06 09:06 AM
Re: dangerous game	luv2safari	20/05/06 09:47 AM
Re: dangerous game	JPK	20/05/06 12:46 PM

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