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Re: this ones killing me..
      28/03/06 04:37 AM

In reply to:

"I saw no reference by Winfer to suggest that complete Belgium made rifles were represented as English, with one very notable exception...the ZAR Martini."




In reply to:

"Histroy tell us that Francotte provided these guns for Westley Richards and some time after Francotte closed up his English based gun business."




No, it doesn't. The contract with the ZAR for 12,450 "Francotte Pattern" Martinis was Westley Richards', obtained through Beckett's, their South African agent. Westley's contract with Francotte stipulated that Westley would manufacture the rifles on actions provided by Francotte. So yes, I imagine that there are Francotte markings on the internals, the actions were made by them, but the guns were barreled, stocked, proved and finished by Westley in England. Westley's contract with Francotte does not support the claim that these were "complete Belgium made rifles".

Is a Rigby Magnum Mauser a German made rifle because Rigby sourced the action from Oberndorf Mauser? The argument is silly.

In reply to:

"I am not a student of the double."




Neither is Winfer. And there is a world of difference between singles and doubles. I'm not saying that it couldn't have been done with doubles with respect to rough parts. I'm saying that a gun built in England from rough parts sourced from abroad does not make the gun "German made" or "Belgian made". I've seen no evidence of more substantive work done in Belgium on pre-war British double rifles. The assumption that practices that may have applied to the manufacture of single shot rifles are therefore likely to have applied to double rifles is simply not logical. In my opinion, only someone who is not a student of the double would think it would be.
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* this ones killing me.. MopaneMike 21/03/06 03:38 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. MopaneMike   22/03/06 05:10 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 375Brno   22/03/06 08:43 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. MopaneMike   23/03/06 02:02 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 400NitroExpress   21/03/06 04:27 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. MopaneMike   23/03/06 02:06 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. AdamTayler   24/03/06 02:20 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 4seventy   21/03/06 09:12 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 500Nitro   21/03/06 09:17 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. MopaneMike   01/04/06 03:27 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 500Nitro   01/04/06 04:12 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. MopaneMike   01/04/06 07:41 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. OWD   25/03/06 01:59 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 400NitroExpress   25/03/06 03:14 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. DoubleD   25/03/06 05:13 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 400NitroExpress   25/03/06 07:30 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. DoubleD   25/03/06 09:57 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 400NitroExpress   28/03/06 04:37 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. DoubleD   30/03/06 06:39 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. OWD   26/03/06 10:44 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. DoubleD   26/03/06 08:50 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. mehulkamdar   28/03/06 02:45 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. OWD   27/03/06 02:01 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. DoubleD   27/03/06 03:43 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 500Nitro   27/03/06 05:12 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. DoubleD   27/03/06 05:22 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 500Nitro   25/03/06 07:46 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 400NitroExpress   25/03/06 11:38 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 500Nitro   26/03/06 02:03 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. RLI   26/03/06 03:07 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. Marrakai   21/03/06 11:24 PM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 400NitroExpress   22/03/06 01:32 AM
. * * Re: this ones killing me.. 4seventy   22/03/06 09:27 AM

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