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Marrakai
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Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game
      31/12/05 12:56 PM

This might begin to look like a Marrakai/4seventy tag team on the extractors vs ejectors topic, but since we're obviously in the minority here, I make no apology.

Here follows my opinion only, based on my experiences only:

I find the biggest problem with a fast reload on an extractor gun is that it gets 'out of alignment' when the empties are tipped out. The reload may indeed be quite fast, but getting the rifle back on line with the quarry is definitely slower for me. If the next pair of aimed shots is factored-in, I think I am probably faster flicking out the empties rather than tipping the gun up.

Tipping the gun up far enough to ensure the empties fall free immediately, requires a rotation to the side as well as tipping the barrels skyward. The whole thing then has to be brought back down and rotated back into line. Remember we are talking about 10 to 11 lb guns here. It is also very difficult to avoid the temptation to take one's eyes off the quarry to check that the cases have indeed fallen out before bringing the gun back down.

With an ejector gun, however, the barrels can remain pointed at the quarry during the whole operation. Down; open; reload; close; up; fire. If the gun is open, the empties are already out! The quarry sees very little movement during this operation, as opposed to the tipping out and rotating of an extractor gun.

Some of the differences of opinion here may also be due to the fact that much shooting of dangerous game these days occurs under very controlled conditions, where very deliberate shooting and reloading can take place, judging by Rusty's and NE450No2's descriptions. Putting a priority on not dropping cases is further evidence of this. Also, most of the reload practice probably takes place on the firing range. In Australia, we have literally millions of feral hogs to practice on, and plenty of buffalo in the north, and many of us hunt without guides, often alone. A good old Ozzie 'bomb-up' of a mob of pigs calls for some very fast shooting and reloading, the likes of which is probably not replicated anywhere else in the world. The techniques can't help but be different, on account of the vastly different hunting circumstances.

As Mickey, RLI, Rusty et al have already stated, it is a matter of personal preference, but no reason not to spice up a thread with a little dogma!

Just kidding, VIVA LA DIFFERENCE!

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* EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game BigFiveJack 29/12/05 02:35 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 400NitroExpress   29/12/05 06:25 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Marrakai   29/12/05 08:39 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 400NitroExpress   30/12/05 02:42 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game new_guy   30/12/05 03:00 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game mickey   30/12/05 03:38 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game DUGABOY1   30/12/05 05:23 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Rusty   29/12/05 08:55 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game bonanza   30/12/05 01:28 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game bonanza   30/12/05 01:32 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 4seventy   29/12/05 03:45 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 500Nitro   30/12/05 07:47 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 4seventy   31/12/05 10:42 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Marrakai   31/12/05 12:56 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 400NitroExpress   31/12/05 07:14 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Chasseur   01/01/06 07:11 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game JPK   04/01/06 04:17 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Marrakai   31/12/05 07:40 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 400NitroExpress   01/01/06 05:56 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 500Nitro   31/12/05 09:40 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game CptCurlAdministrator   01/01/06 12:10 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game DUGABOY1   01/01/06 06:00 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game CptCurlAdministrator   01/01/06 09:44 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game bulldog563   01/01/06 12:37 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game NE450No2   31/12/05 07:29 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Grizzly   30/12/05 10:02 AM
. * * For Grizzly bonanza   31/12/05 07:43 AM
. * * Re: For Grizzly Grizzly   31/12/05 09:16 AM
. * * Re: For Grizzly bulldog563   31/12/05 09:17 AM
. * * Re: For Grizzly Grizzly   31/12/05 12:29 PM
. * * Re: For Grizzly NE450No2   31/12/05 06:38 PM
. * * Re: For Grizzly Grizzly   01/01/06 03:00 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game RLI   30/12/05 11:17 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Grizzly   30/12/05 12:32 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 4seventy   30/12/05 12:44 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Grizzly   30/12/05 12:56 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 4seventy   30/12/05 01:19 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Grizzly   30/12/05 01:26 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game NE450No2   30/12/05 07:19 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Rusty   30/12/05 08:44 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 500grains   31/12/05 06:06 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game NE450No2   31/12/05 04:13 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 500Nitro   31/12/05 07:16 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game bonanza   31/12/05 04:40 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Rusty   31/12/05 05:36 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game bonanza   31/12/05 07:39 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Grizzly   31/12/05 03:58 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 400NitroExpress   30/12/05 11:00 AM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game Marrakai   29/12/05 04:44 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game RLI   29/12/05 03:17 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game 500Nitro   29/12/05 03:17 PM
. * * Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game mickey   29/12/05 02:49 PM

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