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3DogMike
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Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles
30/11/23 05:41 AM

NOTE: My opinion only
As to the mentioned different loads. One needs to remember that the guns in question; Paradox, Explora, Jungle Gun, Shot & Ball, etc. were not all "mixed use" as in for wing shooting, small game, and larger game.

There were "Paradox" (I will use just this word to describe them all) guns made to quite different weights depending upon what the owner expected to use them for. The light weight 3 1/2 Dram ones were certainly expected to be used for wing shooting, small game, deer, etc. and developed 1000-1100 fps with typical round ball or conical.
Then there were the 12 bore guns made to weigh 11-13 lbs that were undoubtedly meant not for any wing shooting but for the largest game. This is where those mentioned heavy 7 Dram loads were used and they gave 1500+ FPS velocity to the round balls and conicals.

I have a full rifle Lyon & Lyon 12 Bore weighing 13lbs 1oz proved for 191 grains (7 Drams), later on the makers and sportsmen found that the "rifled choke" system offered equal accuracy with allegedly less recoil & greater velocity compared to the fully rifled arms.
7 Dram 12 Bores are/were not rare at the time and ARE real thumpers. The heavy 12 Bore guns seemed to be much used in India against all sorts of large game. Whether that same heavy 12 Bore was prudent against Buffalo, Gaur, or Elephant was/is subject to debate then and now.

-Mike

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12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	NitroX	07/11/23 08:24 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	85lc	07/11/23 10:15 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	NitroX	08/11/23 01:12 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	08/11/23 03:09 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	85lc	08/11/23 07:53 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	30/11/23 04:29 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	3DogMike	30/11/23 05:41 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	gatsby	03/12/23 03:48 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	04/12/23 02:56 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	NitroX	03/12/23 05:25 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	gatsby	04/12/23 08:32 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	3DogMike	04/12/23 03:02 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	NitroX	04/12/23 03:15 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	04/12/23 04:28 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	gatsby	04/12/23 04:56 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	Marrakai	04/12/23 05:26 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	Waidmannsheil	08/12/23 08:17 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	08/12/23 10:25 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	Waidmannsheil	08/12/23 10:58 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	Waidmannsheil	04/12/23 06:21 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	9.3x57	09/12/23 07:05 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	09/12/23 10:03 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	Marrakai	09/12/23 03:04 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	NitroX	10/12/23 08:16 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	Marrakai	10/12/23 10:29 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	NitroX	10/12/23 11:53 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	11/12/23 04:22 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	NitroX	13/12/23 05:02 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	9.3x57	13/12/23 05:26 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	13/12/23 06:43 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	Marrakai	13/12/23 11:11 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	9.3x57	14/12/23 12:51 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	14/12/23 04:28 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	9.3x57	14/12/23 10:40 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	14/12/23 01:01 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	3DogMike	15/12/23 03:41 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	9.3x57	15/12/23 04:17 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	lancaster	16/12/23 06:22 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	grandveneur	16/12/23 07:12 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	16/12/23 09:30 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	Waidmannsheil	16/12/23 09:48 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	9.3x57	17/12/23 12:17 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	17/12/23 05:37 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	Waidmannsheil	17/12/23 01:04 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	18/12/23 04:24 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	9.3x57	17/12/23 05:54 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	17/12/23 10:35 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	lancaster	16/12/23 11:26 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	9.3x57	10/12/23 12:53 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	10/12/23 04:39 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	09/12/23 06:02 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	grandveneur	04/12/23 10:55 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	05/12/23 04:27 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	85lc	05/12/23 10:52 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	gatsby	06/12/23 03:52 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	Waidmannsheil	05/12/23 08:27 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	gatsby	04/12/23 08:57 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	NitroX	04/12/23 03:06 PM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	DarylS	08/11/23 09:31 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	85lc	08/11/23 09:58 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	NitroX	30/11/23 03:25 AM
Re: 12-bore shotguns, paradox, Explora, rifles	85lc	30/11/23 04:22 AM

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