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szihn
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Re: Killing vs. Stopping.
24/10/23 02:59 AM

Breaking bone and/or destroying the brain or spinal cord are the 2 things that STOP animals. If the bullet does either, the stop is instant regardless of what gun or caliber it is fired from. It's obvious that a 500 is far less likely to break up or deviate then a 308 Winchester, but IF the 308 bullet could get through in a straight line and hit the vital targets it's going to drop animals as fast and a 500 or even a 600.

That's a very big "if"

That "if" is the the reason we have or use big guns with big bullets.

But adding power or bullet mass only goes so far. A poor hit that doesn't destroy the brain, spinal cord or break a big bone is not going to be any more effective at stopping a charge (or a "get-away) from a huge gun then it is from a mid size gun. I am sure the larger diameter would will bleed out faster, but enough faster to make a real difference if the animal was charging is doubtful to me. I am sure the 4 bore rifles I've made for customers would bleed out a buffalo or elephant faster then a 375, but if the buff or elephant only hammered you for 6 seconds as opposed to 12 seconds but you were dead or crippled for life in 3 seconds, I'd wonder how much you really gained with the 4 bore.

In the late 70s I had 11 months in 3 African countries and the only 2 rifle calibers I used were 308 (7.62 NATO) and a 404 Jeffery. I also got to see a few 458 Winchesters used. Comparing the 458s and the 404 what I can conclude is that all good hits were equally effective, so-so hits were semi effective and poor hits were not very effective. Old Kynoch 404 ammo shot 400 grain bullets at about 2150. New German 404 ammo shot a 400 grain bullet at about 2400. The 458s shot 500 grain bullets at 2050. I saw no difference, shot to shot, between any of them.

Bullet placement and bullet construction/design were/are vital.

All other things seem to exist for the sole purpose of giving hunters subject matter to debate, but none really seemed to truly matter in the field.

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Killing vs. Stopping.	bonanza	27/06/10 10:07 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	09/10/23 10:56 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	NitroX	10/10/23 10:17 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	HeymSR20	19/10/23 09:58 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	NitroX	19/10/23 01:10 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	DarylS	20/10/23 04:21 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	20/10/23 07:11 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Rule303	20/10/23 08:18 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	20/10/23 08:28 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Rule303	23/10/23 08:47 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	20/10/23 08:46 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Rule303	23/10/23 08:49 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	23/10/23 09:58 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Rule303	24/10/23 08:11 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	20/10/23 09:02 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	20/10/23 09:16 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	NitroX	23/10/23 04:06 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	NitroX	23/10/23 04:08 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	23/10/23 08:21 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	20/10/23 08:09 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Ndumo	30/07/10 05:09 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	ozhunter	31/07/10 02:39 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	chuck375	24/10/23 09:01 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	NitroX	24/10/23 04:26 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	24/10/23 06:32 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	chuck375	28/10/23 01:29 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	28/10/23 02:27 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Rule303	28/10/23 10:01 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	28/10/23 06:00 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Rule303	29/10/23 11:42 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	NitroX	28/10/23 09:25 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	chuck375	29/10/23 03:25 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	DarylS	29/10/23 04:33 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	NitroX	24/10/23 08:25 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	szihn	24/10/23 02:59 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Rule303	24/10/23 08:14 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Ben	31/07/10 07:50 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Paul	03/08/10 12:03 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	93mouse	03/08/10 04:55 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	29/06/10 12:57 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	xausa	29/06/10 01:12 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping. DELETED	grandveneur	29/06/10 01:24 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping. DELETED	grandveneur	29/06/10 01:50 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping. DELETED	grandveneur	29/06/10 01:56 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	poprivit	29/06/10 09:08 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	mauserand9mm	29/06/10 09:56 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Ben	30/06/10 09:15 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Ripp	30/06/10 01:00 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	NitroX	30/06/10 04:19 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Ripp	30/06/10 11:58 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	93mouse	01/07/10 12:23 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	gwh	21/07/10 08:48 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	bigmaxx	22/07/10 02:45 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	andrevannibos	29/07/10 04:44 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	93mouse	29/07/10 07:51 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	Mike_Bailey	30/06/10 05:42 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	404bearslayer	30/06/10 07:05 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	NitroX	29/06/10 01:05 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	29/06/10 12:38 AM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	ozhunter	27/06/10 11:54 PM
Re: Killing vs. Stopping.	grandveneur	29/06/10 01:09 AM

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