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Further thoughts on sacrilege. Fortunately a lot of continental double over and under rifles do have twin triggers - one for each barrel. A double rifle, especially a dangerous game double absolutely needs to be twin triggered. In effect you have two completely different rifles so there is a redundancy.

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There is a difference in view down a side by side compared to over and under. Not better,

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But by far most important factor is whether the gun fits and does it shoot where you look with you needing to aim. In other words does it shoot like a fine shotgun.

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A side by side invariably will naturally fit better. The forehand not sitting unnaturally high.

Gentlemen, don't get me wrong. I was not arguing a under and over is better. I was commenting on recoil movements. A side by side is better. The side by side shooter at a clay target shoot is almost always a good shot. Most people are naturally sheeple and afraid to be not part of the flock. Afraid to be different. "Everyone uses a side by side, so it must be better!" I'm sure some would reply with such an inane statement

An under and over MIGHT be better for trap down the line shooting, as the ine of flight might match the barrels better. Skeet, no.

My favourite Azhur detachable sidelock, side by side, has more open chokes than y other side by sides. Also nice and fancy. Twin triggers of course. The stock might feel a little short for me now. It never used to. It has no recoil pad or plate wall, just wood. I might source a slip on rubber recoil pad. The firing pins in it feel a little snippy. Not sure how to describe it.m

My Greener Empire, bought second as a DR donor, is a littler agricultural. I like it for fox shoots.

My Simson Suhl is plain by in near perfect condition. It's issue is very tight choking. Makes sense seeing our German members comments on a thread on why many German shotguns are tightly choked. I'd be "brave" to use it on a clay shoot. When hit, clays would be spectacularly powdered. I do want to see if it can become a specialist fox hunting gun.

My old Hollis, hammers, was myngrandfathers, Damascus barrels. I'd like to see it restored a little.

My other grandfathers shotgun, a Stevens also a handgun, is in better condition but is missing a hammer. Need for my Uncle and Aunty to find it, or source another one or two.

If I can continue to improve my shooting, I'll return to a side by side, at least occasionally. A lack of confidence was the main reason I stopped using it not actual functuality

None of my side by sides have ejectors. I remember switching to the under and over for a mass flurry clay shoot because of expected barrel heat and it had ejectors. A loader was used the shooter opening and ejecting shells, the loader popping in two shells, shoulder, fire, reload, shoulder fire ... Etc . Six or seven throwers on a ridge, throwing clays in fly over head, sraight or angled. Maybe some two clays at once. I think four or five shooters. Fast and furious. I did well on it. A group score.mIt's like overhead driven pheasants flurry. Great fun. A side by side, with ejectors, and a glove, would have made it even better.

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John aka NitroX

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