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Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles
      15/02/23 12:19 AM

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Over here in Edinburgh, Edinburgh Rifles imports the Fox Bullets and the South African Peregrine bullets. I know them well and done some load development as they load factory ammunition with both these bullet ranges. These have been sent to proof house and are now being supplied in good volumes major government, and conservation agencies as well private estates and retail.

The Fox works well and has multiple groves cut into it, so does keep pressures low. The Peregrine is built slight sub calibre bullet with driving bands to grip the rifling. And they have a range - the VRG3 designed for dangerous game calibres.

Personally I would be happy shooting Fox bullets out of an old rifle, but I would prefer to use the Peregrines.

More details, and load data etc available here with links back to manufacturers websites.

http://new.ersg.com/non-lead-bullets-and-ammunition




OK so the Peregrine are Bore Riders like the Hydros. Bore Rider = The diameter of the bullet is that of the lands or very close to. The raised section/driving bands are grove or close to grove diameter. The Barnes are grove diameter with groves cut into them. So the Hydros can be seated with the front section of the bullet sitting in the rifling and the first band just off. Barnes type only the ogive can do this. Theoretically the Barnes type will produce a higher pressure?

Does this mean that bore riders can be used in thin barrels or doubles or older guns? I do not know but would expect they could be.

The designer/developer of the Hydro claims he tested many grades on copper/zinc alloy to find one that was not too hard or soft and produce pressures similar to soft nose bullets. Got that from the Woodleigh reloading manual.

Now my observations and thinking. I have load developed for 300 grain 375 H&H and 400 grain 416 Rigby. I will discount the 375 loads as I had to use a different powder to the cup & core type bullets. In the Rigby using the same powder loads I get 100FPS faster with the Hydros then 400 and 410 grain soft nose. No detectable increase in felt recoil, subjective and not precise I know.

What I put the extra velocity down to is lower pressure due to lower friction allowing a faster Excelleration. Yes plenty of holes in this logic, however when I use Woodleigh 410 grain solids- these are slightly undersize, and same powder load I can detect a difference in the felt recoil. I might add these loads are not far off my recoil tolerance. This maybe why I can pick the difference as a little increase becomes noticeable.

People may or may not agree with me and that is fine as this is an extremely narrow sample.

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* Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles LGF 03/12/22 03:07 PM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles tinker   03/12/22 03:37 PM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles NitroXAdministrator   03/12/22 07:15 PM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles luv2safari   12/02/23 03:51 PM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles NitroXAdministrator   12/02/23 04:53 PM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles HeymSR20   12/02/23 09:39 PM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles Rule303   15/02/23 12:19 AM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles DarylS   15/02/23 05:02 AM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles HeymSR20   13/02/23 12:09 AM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles NitroXAdministrator   13/02/23 02:42 AM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles DarylS   13/02/23 06:25 AM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles luv2safari   13/02/23 09:28 AM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles DarylS   13/02/23 09:42 AM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles luv2safari   13/02/23 10:27 AM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles DarylS   13/02/23 02:15 PM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles NitroXAdministrator   13/02/23 03:31 PM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles 3DogMike   14/02/23 01:33 AM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles Rule303   04/12/22 06:31 PM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles NitroXAdministrator   04/12/22 07:23 PM
. * * Re: Swift A Frame Bullets for old rifles LGF   04/12/22 09:11 AM

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