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Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere....
      29/10/20 07:41 AM

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+1

Those bigger guns are a definite improvement for sure.

Jack Lott, the creator of the .458 Lott and of course a well-known fan of bigger is better, got curious about the Philippines Insurrection "Charging Moros" story that drove US Army development of the .45 ACP. He wrote an article about it many years ago and totally debunked it. I've got a copy around someplace. The problem w/ the previous guns, the Colt .38 Colts involved really anemic ammo and the guns were junk. Even General Hatcher admitted that. Lott dug into the after action reports and Army personnel were complaining that their M1897 Winchester 12 ga pump guns w/ buckshot and their Krag .30-40's were not always effective at stopping rushes by Moros...so how could the .38 be singled out as a loser!

I have a monograph here on US Army Trials of the 1907 Luger in..... 7.65/.30 Luger. Some of the cavalry units issued these pistols reported "stopping power" as a feature of the gun!

The whole subject is fraught with inconsistencies, contradictions and...as you say...marketing BS for sure!




IF you ever get a chance to dig that article up would enjoy reading that.. really interesting info..

AS to the ineffectiveness of the 38--always found it interesting how many use the .357 Mag. for bears.. same diameter.. just a bit faster.. NO human is as tough as a bear.. no matter what they snort before an attack..

I have shot several deer size animals with a 38 special..had no issue dispatching them..

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* Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp 13/10/20 12:47 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... DarylS   13/10/20 03:31 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... tinker   13/10/20 07:57 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   13/10/20 01:18 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Rule303   20/10/20 08:59 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   29/10/20 03:16 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... 9.3x57   29/10/20 04:07 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   29/10/20 04:40 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... 9.3x57   29/10/20 06:19 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   29/10/20 07:41 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... DarylS   29/10/20 09:53 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   30/10/20 12:03 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Rule303   31/10/20 09:07 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Rod4861   31/10/20 03:15 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Checkman   08/05/21 12:47 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... DarylS   08/05/21 01:08 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Checkman   08/05/21 01:54 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   08/05/21 11:40 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Checkman   08/05/21 01:03 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   04/11/20 05:21 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   21/10/20 04:01 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Rule303   21/10/20 06:13 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... 9.3x57   21/10/20 11:32 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... lancaster   26/10/20 06:30 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... DarylS   26/10/20 06:41 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   26/10/20 12:31 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... 9.3x57   21/10/20 04:26 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... DarylS   21/10/20 03:47 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... EDELWEISS   09/05/21 02:09 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... NitroXAdministrator   13/10/20 05:48 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   14/10/20 01:10 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... aromakr   14/10/20 02:44 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... DarylS   14/10/20 03:24 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   14/10/20 12:27 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Vladymere   14/10/20 01:03 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Postman   14/10/20 10:52 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   15/10/20 12:26 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Marrakai   15/10/20 02:35 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   16/10/20 12:41 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Marrakai   18/10/20 12:02 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... FrankS   18/10/20 05:33 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... NitroXAdministrator   13/10/20 05:53 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... CptCurlAdministrator   19/10/20 10:24 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... NitroXAdministrator   20/10/20 03:30 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... NitroXAdministrator   26/10/20 03:13 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   27/10/20 12:07 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... NitroXAdministrator   27/10/20 10:59 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Rule303   28/10/20 08:39 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... NitroXAdministrator   28/10/20 02:51 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   29/10/20 12:42 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   28/10/20 01:39 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... NitroXAdministrator   28/10/20 02:48 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... lancaster   26/10/20 03:23 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Ripp   20/10/20 05:25 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... 9.3x57   20/10/20 06:44 AM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... 93x64mm   13/10/20 10:49 PM
. * * Re: Fading away?? The 45 ACP isn't going anywhere.... Wayne59   13/10/20 12:11 PM

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