Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact
NitroExpress.com: H&H take down system?

View recent messages : 24 hours | 48 hours | 7 days | 14 days | 30 days | 60 days | More Smilies


*** Enjoy NitroExpress.com? Participate and join in. ***

Double Rifles, Single Shots & Combinations >> Building Double Rifles & Gunsmithing

Major_Bonkers
.224 member


Reged: 22/05/20
Posts: 10
Loc: London, England
Re: H&H take down system?
      21/06/20 09:04 PM

Well, Ahmed, it's worth thinking about what you are actually buying when you sign on the dotted line for a bolt-action rifle from one of your named gunsmiths.

The barrelled action will have come from FZH or Mayfair Engineering. The engraving will almost certainly have been outwork. The stocking may be done in-house but, as I understand matters, Boss outsources all its work.

What you are being sold is some vision of gnomes painstakingly manufacturing your hand-built rifle, and what you are getting is a very nicely-finished after-market Mauser 98 action. The one area where it should shine is fitting.
I do not believe that the position is substantially different with double rifles. Most of these, I strongly suspect, come from Mayfair, but in any case the actions are coming off CNC machines rather than some old fart in Birmingham patiently filing down lumps of metal.

All of these elements are reproducible by an individual buying his own action in the white and then hunting down his own engraver and stocker/ fitter. Your finished product won't cost anything like as much as a New Holland/ Purdey/ Boss, and nor will it have the same aftermarket value, but it won't depreciate as much either. It ought to be just as accurate and good to shoot, though.

An engraver that I can recommend is Andy Miles, who works for all of the London gunsmiths. I use a stocker in Poland called Arek at Top Gun.

In the alternative, you can go to someone like Paul Roberts, of J. Roberts & Son. He used to own both Jeffery and Rigby, so he knows what he is doing. You will get a Jeffery or Rigby equivalent, but without the magic name engraved on the barrel and - at a guess - at at least half the cost.

While on the subject, you should also look at the accounts - using the link that I posted above - for the London gunsmiths. Purdeys and Hollands are losing money-hand-over fist - arguably this makes their rifles very good value for money, as they are being sold at a loss! - and Boss looks to be in a particularly hard place (I understand that it has recently changed ownership, again).

I would be very cautious about entering into a long-term contract to buy a rifle from any of your named lot. At a minimum, I would insist that any money paid by me was paid into trust for my rifle and not intermingled with the companies' own funds. I would also insist in paying in arrears.

The two companies which do seem to be doing very well are Rigby and (in Birmingham) Westley Richards.

Finally, I would question just how much your grandchildren will benefit from your collection. On the assumption that you bought them new, you will have already suffered some pretty severe depreciation. So far as I can see, both Purdeys and Hollands are very shy about the cost of their (new) bolt-actioned rifles, but I would suspect somewhere around £30,000 + VAT. Big bore rifles in the northern hemisphere typically do not get a lot of use, so it is possible, with luck, to pick up good rifles second-hand at a good price: my H&H .375 takedown cost me approximately £7,000, and my Jeffery .404 a scarcely believable £1,100.

Post Extras Print Post   Remind Me!     Notify Moderator


Entire topic
Subject Posted by Posted on
* H&H take down system? karamoja 19/06/20 05:04 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? yumastepside   19/06/20 05:49 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? karamoja   19/06/20 05:53 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? yumastepside   19/06/20 06:37 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Major_Bonkers   19/06/20 08:08 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Rothhammer1   17/07/20 02:47 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? karamoja   20/06/20 01:41 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Major_Bonkers   21/06/20 03:42 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Rockdoc   21/06/20 09:55 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Major_Bonkers   21/06/20 05:47 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? NitroXAdministrator   21/06/20 06:57 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Major_Bonkers   21/06/20 09:04 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? NitroXAdministrator   21/06/20 09:19 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? NitroXAdministrator   21/06/20 09:21 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Ahmed577   21/06/20 09:54 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? karamoja   21/06/20 10:36 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? NitroXAdministrator   21/06/20 10:57 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? DarylS   21/06/20 11:22 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Major_Bonkers   22/06/20 05:59 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? karamoja   23/06/20 01:05 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Rothhammer1   17/07/20 03:22 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? 93x64mm   17/07/20 10:30 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Rothhammer1   18/07/20 12:09 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Rothhammer1   18/07/20 12:24 AM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Major_Bonkers   21/06/20 10:25 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Ahmed577   21/06/20 10:33 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? NitroXAdministrator   21/06/20 09:53 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? Ahmed577   21/06/20 06:44 PM
. * * Re: H&H take down system? NitroXAdministrator   19/06/20 12:03 PM

Extra information
0 registered and 6 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  CptCurl 



Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Thread views: 5447

Rate this thread

Jump to

Contact Us NitroExpress.com

Powered by UBB.threads™ 6.5.5


Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact


Copyright 2003 to 2011 - all rights reserved