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Re: Mark Sullivan Film "Shot to Death"
      29/06/05 03:54 AM

Mainguide , let's look at it this way! There are those who have, over 50 yrs or so, taken thousands of Buffalo, while hunting, culling, and backing up client hunters, that have, to a man, not encountered more than three or four un provoked charges in all that time, and on that many buffalo. This seems to be the way Buffalo act, when hunted properly. Now, I ask you doesn't that tell you something, about all the charges MS gets?

How, I ask you, is it that on every tape produced by MS, there are at least four or five charges from Buffalo? I submit to you, these charges are purposely provoked for the film. I don't think they are purposely GUT SHOT, but they have ALL been shot many times to take a little steam out of his charge, by both the client, and MS.

All animals have a set of circles around them, that are with the first circle farthest out from center,(center being where the animal is) #1 he watches with interest , the next one closer to the animal is #2 he's Guarded, #3 is flight, or fight,unwounded, he usually will take flight here, and finally #4 when you are too close, and the lable is FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!, and once the charge starts, he will not turn, or stop, but he is easy to stop with the right rifle, and if he is in the open.MS's charges always are in the open. MS knows this, and he also knows that with a Cape Buffalo, the spaces between these circles gets very narrow if he is already wounded, and his fight juices are flowing. MS purposely invades this inner circle to cause the buffalo to charge, by not only getting too close, but by makeing sudden twichy moves in his body luangue that the buff takes as starting a fight. If you consider, as MS does, this is ethical treatment of a beast you are about to kill, especially since he's wounded, and suffering,then I'm sorry for you, and MS. I believe we owe the animals we hunt a quick, clean passing, aminestering as little suffering as is possible. Letting a Buffalo with a broken back drag himself for ten minutes while talking into a camera, and then to advance on him, knowing he CAN'T CHARGE, then talk another two or three minutes, while the bull trys to drag himself toward MS to try to protect himself, is in my opinion, not only unethical, but criminal!

The scene I have just described is in the film "SUDDEN DEATH" by MS, and there was nothing sudden about that Buffalo's death. Up untill that film, I bought every film he put out, but that film, is the straw that finally broke the camel's back, with me on MS! I haven't bought another since, and don't intend to. It's too bad really, because as I said in my previous post, he is a good PH, and he gets fine trophies for his clients, but he usually shoots them himself! It stands to reason if I wouldn't buy his films, I certainly wouldn't hunt with him, even if I could afford to.




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* Mark Sullivan Film "Shot to Death" Maineguide 27/06/05 11:23 AM
. * * Re: Mark Sullivan Film "Shot to Death" 500grains   27/06/05 02:38 PM
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. * * Re: Mark Sullivan Film "Shot to Death" clark7781   27/06/05 10:34 PM
. * * Re: Mark Sullivan Film "Shot to Death" 500grains   28/06/05 01:42 AM
. * * Re: Mark Sullivan Film "Shot to Death" DUGABOY1   28/06/05 02:47 AM
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. * * Re: Mark Sullivan Film "Shot to Death" DUGABOY1   29/06/05 03:54 AM
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