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Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?
27/11/18 04:57 PM

Spitzer for 6.5 and 8mm MS in 1927 Stoeger?:

Here's something I just found on Ebay, an image of Stoeger's Catalog #7 (1927), page 61, which shows ballistics for both 'ogival' and 'spitzer' loads of the 6.5 and 8mm Mannlicher Schönauer (with different powder charges). Only 'ogival' loads are shown for 9 and 9.5mm cartridges.

Worthy of note, however, is that the figures are given as "Ballistics with 24 barrel" while the MS offered are all stutzen with barrels from 18" on the 6.5mm to 20 inches for the 9mm, 8mm, 9.5mm. The price was $75.00 each. There were longer barrels offered at an extra cost, they were listed as 22 1/2" for all but the 9.5, which was 23 5/8".

The 9.5 on the ballistics chart shows a bullet weight of 261.7 grains. Original Eley drawings, DWM specs, and every other reference I've seen shows a 270 grain for the 9.5X57MS. Is it possible the "Ballistics with 24 barrel" were obtained not with 'factory loads' at all, but with custom loads to achieve desired results?

Here's the whole page.

I wonder if the cartridges shown on page 65 -66 included spitzers in 6.5x54 and 8x56 MS? The 1927 catalog on Ebay is bid up to $110 and I'm too cheap for that.

By 1939 the only ones shown were round nose. From what I've seen of the 1931 Stoeger, they were all RN as well.

The '1935 DWM Ballistics Chart' from the 1939 Stoeger does show figures for "Soft nosed pointed" 6.5mm and 9mm MS and "Strong jacket torpedo" (whatever that is) 8mm in addition to the "Soft nosed round head" listngs. The 9.5mm is only listed as "Soft nosed round head".

I just found a PDF of the 1938 DWM Ammunition Catalog in English which shows DWM bullet #s 305O (6.5mm 'soft nosed pointed') on page 65, 463A and 463K (8mm 'strong jacket torpedo) on page 73, 373A (9mm 'soft nosed pointed') on page 75. Here's a link: DWM 1938

I'd still be curious to see catalog images of actual loaded ammunition offered as 'MS' with those projectiles.

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Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	NitroX	03/11/18 07:52 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	03/11/18 08:22 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	NitroX	04/11/18 12:18 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	04/11/18 12:56 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	DarylS	04/11/18 06:24 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	04/11/18 03:15 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	04/11/18 05:17 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	sharps4590	05/11/18 12:43 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	05/11/18 02:02 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Waidmannsheil	06/11/18 06:19 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	NitroX	04/11/18 12:07 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Waidmannsheil	06/11/18 07:21 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	fsrmg1	10/11/18 12:44 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	14/11/18 09:57 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Hook	09/03/24 12:21 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Marrakai	09/03/24 02:14 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	DonZ	10/03/24 05:06 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	DarylS	10/03/24 05:52 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	DonZ	10/03/24 02:15 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Vintage_Canvas	23/02/24 06:26 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	23/02/24 12:22 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Jose50	22/02/24 01:08 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	DonZ	22/02/24 02:27 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	03/12/18 08:12 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Sarg	21/12/18 06:28 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	9.3x57	22/12/18 04:21 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	DarylS	22/12/18 06:21 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	tinker	22/12/18 09:04 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	DarylS	22/12/18 11:00 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	HeymSR20	20/11/18 03:51 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Waidmannsheil	20/11/18 09:03 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	21/11/18 01:35 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	27/11/18 04:57 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	DonZ	28/11/18 04:24 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	NitroX	28/11/18 05:32 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	29/11/18 06:34 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	DonZ	29/11/18 03:43 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	NitroX	02/12/18 04:34 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	29/11/18 06:22 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	28/11/18 08:56 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	05/11/18 04:20 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Hook	06/11/18 04:40 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Hook	24/01/19 05:45 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	NitroX	29/01/19 10:04 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Hook	30/01/19 02:56 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	JDL	25/01/19 12:34 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Waidmannsheil	25/01/19 05:05 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	93x64mm	25/01/19 07:02 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	NitroX	03/11/18 08:29 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	03/11/18 09:38 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	03/11/18 08:43 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	NitroX	04/11/18 12:24 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	05/11/18 04:27 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	93x64mm	05/11/18 08:42 AM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	Rothhammer1	05/11/18 03:03 PM
Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?	NitroX	03/11/18 07:59 PM
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