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Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S?
      03/11/18 08:22 PM

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My assumption was that non round nose projectiles may not feed as well from the magazine(?).






My experience is with the 9.5X57, but your assumption is correct.

The early Schönauer magazine was milled with the profile of the proprietary MS cartridge for which the arm is chambered. With the M1924 ('High Velocity') a 'ring' was added to the magazine that held cartridges in place, but in the 'classic' M1903, M1905, M1908, M1910 the cartridges were guided by their closely matched shape from the shoulder to the nose as the cartridge lays against the follower (spool).

The first photo below (I believe I 'swiped' it from a post of Kuduae's) shows Schoenauer magazines from small to tall. The second image shows an M1903 (6.5X54) alongside an M1910 (9.5X57). The third shows 6.5X54 cartridges 'nested' in the magazine. You can see how the 'profile' of the cartridge matches that of the magazine follower.



That said, with proper fitting cartridges, the Schoenauer magazine and the MS overall deserves its reputation as possibly the smoothest feeding sporting arm ever devised.


The surest way to have cartridges that will feed smoothly in the Schönauer magazine is to build them precisely as the originals. Spitzer type projectiles, unless they are carefully fitted, will jam on the third round. It seems the most critical point of contact (or lack thereof) is about 2/3 of the way from the cannelure to the bullet tip. If your projectile is too narrow at this point it will fall into a void and jam. Kuduae has posted specific instructions for loading spires in the M1910.

Make them like these, they'll work smother than greased snot.



Here's an Eley blueprint of the 6.5X54



You'll also want to pick up some Mauser clips (if you don't already have them).





By the way, you're going to love these things! There's nothing like a 'prewar' Mannlicher Schönauer.



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* Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? NitroXAdministrator 03/11/18 07:52 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   03/11/18 08:22 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? NitroXAdministrator   04/11/18 12:18 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   04/11/18 12:56 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? DarylS   04/11/18 06:24 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   04/11/18 03:15 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   04/11/18 05:17 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? sharps4590   05/11/18 12:43 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   05/11/18 02:02 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Waidmannsheil   06/11/18 06:19 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? NitroXAdministrator   04/11/18 12:07 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Waidmannsheil   06/11/18 07:21 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? fsrmg1   10/11/18 12:44 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   14/11/18 09:57 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Hook   09/03/24 12:21 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Marrakai   09/03/24 02:14 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? DonZ   10/03/24 05:06 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? DarylS   10/03/24 05:52 AM
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. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   23/02/24 12:22 PM
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. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   03/12/18 08:12 PM
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. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   21/11/18 01:35 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   27/11/18 04:57 PM
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. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   29/11/18 06:34 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? DonZ   29/11/18 03:43 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? NitroXAdministrator   02/12/18 04:34 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   29/11/18 06:22 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   28/11/18 08:56 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   05/11/18 04:20 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Hook   06/11/18 04:40 AM
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. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Hook   30/01/19 02:56 AM
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. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? 93x64mm   25/01/19 07:02 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? NitroXAdministrator   03/11/18 08:29 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   03/11/18 09:38 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   03/11/18 08:43 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? NitroXAdministrator   04/11/18 12:24 AM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   05/11/18 04:27 AM
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. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? Rothhammer1   05/11/18 03:03 PM
. * * Re: Use of spitzer bullets in the 6.5x54 M-S? NitroXAdministrator   03/11/18 07:59 PM
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