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gt8977c
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Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help
05/08/17 03:37 AM

Happy to report that through the kindness of a gentleman in England that I contacted via the British Militaria forum, I now have a good set of barrel contour dimensions for a 45 cal Model 1881. The pattern rifle is a .450 No. 2 Musket.

The consensus here is that my rifle was probably originally a .500/450 No. 1 Express.
I am seriously considering going with this round, in the interest in keeping things correct.
Brass is available from Bertram, Dies from CH4D, and a reamer can be had from PTG.

But, the only dimensional drawing I have seem for this round is in my copy of Winfer's Westley Richards book. This shows the neck diameter of the No.1 Exp as .490". That seems awfully large. Most brass for 45 cal.(.458 bullets) seems to be .478 to .484.

Did the No.1 Exp brass just have an unusually thick neck? Or is it meant for a larger bore/bullet/obsolete rifling.

Before I commit to going to No.1 Exp. I will have to contact CH4D and PTG and make sure the standard reamer and dies are compatible with each other and that they will work with a standard .458 groove barrel.

The extra cost in brass, dies and reamer to use the No. 1 Exp verses what I could get the same for in .450 BPE is already several hundred dollars. But if I would have to go to a custom barrel bore and get into casting and sizing bullets to make things work, I will likely go with a more easily obtainable caliber.

Thanks to all for the great input.

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Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	gt8977c	28/07/17 02:49 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Wayne59	28/07/17 05:19 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	16/08/17 11:51 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Wayne59	16/08/17 08:49 PM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	85lc	21/01/18 07:59 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	21/01/18 11:26 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	85lc	25/01/18 06:01 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	25/01/18 09:32 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	DarylS	25/01/18 10:18 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	85lc	26/01/18 10:33 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	26/01/18 02:36 PM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	TH44	22/01/18 10:10 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	85lc	09/02/18 04:14 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	3DogMike	09/02/18 05:03 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	DarylS	09/02/18 05:22 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	09/02/18 07:42 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	DarylS	09/02/18 10:32 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	85lc	04/04/18 08:44 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	casper50	04/04/18 01:04 PM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	04/04/18 01:55 PM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	tinker	05/04/18 02:51 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	DarylS	05/04/18 04:02 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	MikeRowe	05/04/18 12:30 PM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	DarylS	05/04/18 01:36 PM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	MikeRowe	05/04/18 09:00 PM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	85lc	07/04/18 12:46 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	07/04/18 11:03 PM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	85lc	30/04/18 10:35 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	DarylS	30/04/18 11:00 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	93x64mm	01/05/18 07:39 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	01/05/18 01:49 PM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	TH44	09/02/18 10:20 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Wayne59	22/01/18 11:36 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	85lc	25/01/18 06:09 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	28/07/17 06:25 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	50Calshtr	29/07/17 12:50 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	29/07/17 04:21 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	3DogMike	29/07/17 08:44 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	gt8977c	31/07/17 09:50 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	MikeRowe	31/07/17 10:33 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	gt8977c	05/08/17 03:37 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	3DogMike	05/08/17 04:38 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	gt8977c	05/08/17 05:18 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	bpesteve	09/08/18 03:20 PM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	3DogMike	05/08/17 05:35 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	MikeRowe	05/08/17 08:55 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	DarylS	05/08/17 08:40 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	05/08/17 05:06 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	50Calshtr	04/08/17 05:51 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Wayne59	04/08/17 08:29 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	dracb	04/08/17 05:57 PM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	3DogMike	04/08/17 08:28 AM
Re: Westley Richards Model 1881 Needs Help	Huvius	29/07/17 09:29 AM

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