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tinker
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Re: The remains of an old gun...
      02/04/05 03:08 AM

Curl-

My best wishes are that there's some somewhat compelling evidence pointing to this having been a failure of a barrel that had already been on death's doorstep.
For a perfectly good set of barrles -- off a ten pound .465 -- to blow outta nowhere, uuhh... hm. That makes me want to take up knitting or pottery and put the rilfes away.
Nah, no it doesn't, but it does have me wanting to take the barrles off my bore rifle and my 450mag out to have a little check-up.

I do know a fair bit about how to look into the anatomy of a FU'd piece of machinery, and I figured what I'd noted in the way I noted would stand out somehow, hopefully there's a way we can see into this mess and learn something from it.
I do consultation work for engineering firms and from time to time get called in to pick through the wreckage of a system gone to hell as an objective voice. Typically if I need something scoped or magnafluxed or dyed, x-rayed or scnanned or otherwise scrutinized beyond the limit of my field kit, I outsoruce to a specialist or talk to friends at one of the local universities.
I have access to scanning electron microscopes if I want them, it's always good to maintain relationships with good brains who have good equipment.

I gather that this rifle is somewhere down in Texas. I've spent a bit of time down there, but don't know much of the industry in that part of the world. I bet there's someone down in Lubbock at Tech who'd be interested in parking that barrel under a scanning electron microscope. Physical science students are typically absolute sponges for mysteries like this and love real-world problems that relate to thier study.

My sense though is that it wouldn't take magna flux, penetrant dye, or any kind of particle beam or microscopy to see what took this thing out. To really get in there and see the -what's what- of the state of the metal in that barrel, a scanning electron microscope would offer a perspective at the grain of the metal. A test would likely only cost a couple hundred bucks and wouldn't take very long to turn around. Any outfit with a scanning microscope should be able to do it.
At least I can hope there's some more obvious sign of what went wrong in there, barrels popping open on ten pound guns gives me the shivers.




4seventy-

I got a serious belly laugh going when I heard that particular detail of the story too. At eleven thou wall, at least four of that's hardcase of some sort.
Whooo...
One would think that at some time during a restoration the guy would have miked the wall thickness. Really, go figure on that one. It was a smoothbore though, not a rifle, and the barrels weren't that thin everywhere.
The owner of the gun was in a duck blind with a friend when it blew too. Lucky for both of them no one was hurt.






--Tinker



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* My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel CFA 31/03/05 03:45 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel 500grains   04/04/05 11:04 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel CFA   04/04/05 12:20 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel 500grains   04/04/05 12:36 PM
. * * A warranty won't save your life... tinker   05/04/05 05:08 AM
. * * Re: A warranty won't save your life... CFA   05/04/05 02:57 PM
. * * Re: A warranty won't save your life... tinker   05/04/05 04:54 PM
. * * Just got back from the lab... tinker   06/04/05 06:34 AM
. * * Re: Just got back from the lab... CFA   06/04/05 07:31 AM
. * * Re: Just got back from the lab... tinker   06/04/05 09:10 AM
. * * Re: Just got back from the lab... unspellable   07/04/05 09:19 AM
. * * Re: Just got back from the lab... NitroXAdministrator   06/04/05 02:09 PM
. * * Re: Just got back from the lab... tinker   06/04/05 05:35 PM
. * * Re: Just got back from the lab... k80   06/04/05 10:21 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel tinker   01/04/05 03:44 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel unspellable   03/04/05 03:03 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel bonanza   02/04/05 12:20 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel CFA   01/04/05 05:24 PM
. * * The remains of an old gun... tinker   01/04/05 06:10 PM
. * * Re: The remains of an old gun... 4seventy   01/04/05 10:06 PM
. * * Re: The remains of an old gun... CptCurlAdministrator   01/04/05 09:53 PM
. * * Re: The remains of an old gun... tinker   02/04/05 03:08 AM
. * * Re: The remains of an old gun... 4seventy   02/04/05 09:06 AM
. * * not case hardening... tinker   02/04/05 09:17 AM
. * * Re: not case hardening... 4seventy   02/04/05 10:26 AM
. * * paper thin barrels and the sweetness of fu*kall... tinker   02/04/05 11:10 AM
. * * Re: paper thin barrels and the sweetness of fu*kall... 4seventy   02/04/05 01:41 PM
. * * Re: paper thin barrels and the sweetness of fu*kall... tinker   02/04/05 02:20 PM
. * * Re: paper thin barrels and the sweetness of fu*kall... 4seventy   02/04/05 02:37 PM
. * * Bees' knees and blown barrels... tinker   02/04/05 02:43 PM
. * * Re: not case hardening... NE450No2   02/04/05 11:06 AM
. * * Blown barrel 4seventy   02/04/05 04:02 PM
. * * Re: Blown barrel DoubleD   03/04/05 12:33 AM
. * * Re: Blown barrel NitroXAdministrator   03/04/05 03:07 AM
. * * Re: Blown barrel DoubleD   03/04/05 10:14 AM
. * * Re: Blown barrel NitroXAdministrator   03/04/05 11:52 AM
. * * Re: Blown barrel NE450No2   03/04/05 03:46 AM
. * * Re: Blown barrel 475Guy   03/04/05 06:34 AM
. * * Re: Blown barrel tinker   03/04/05 07:07 AM
. * * Re: Blown barrel CFA   03/04/05 02:43 PM
. * * Re: Blown barrel unspellable   03/04/05 09:31 AM
. * * Re: Blown barrel NE450No2   03/04/05 12:02 PM
. * * Wm. Evans unspellable   04/04/05 04:26 AM
. * * Re: Wm. Evans NE450No2   04/04/05 05:37 AM
. * * Re: Blown barrel mickey   03/04/05 12:50 PM
. * * Re: not case hardening... new_guy   02/04/05 09:42 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel SteveH   01/04/05 02:08 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel bwanabloke   01/04/05 03:06 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel ArnoldB   01/04/05 12:03 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel NE450No2   01/04/05 12:20 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel mickey   31/03/05 04:42 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel NE450No2   31/03/05 06:23 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel Bwanaclark   06/06/06 06:23 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel 400NitroExpress   06/06/06 05:41 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel Bwanaclark   07/06/06 05:58 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel 400NitroExpress   07/06/06 06:28 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel armbar   07/06/06 08:51 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel armbar   07/06/06 08:57 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel 400NitroExpress   08/06/06 10:12 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel armbar   08/06/06 12:11 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel bulldog563   17/06/06 01:49 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel NE450No2   17/06/06 06:19 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel 500grains   07/06/06 11:41 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel CFA   06/06/06 02:57 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel Bwanaclark   07/06/06 04:20 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel NE450No2   06/06/06 04:49 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel 400NitroExpress   06/06/06 07:04 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel 4seventy   06/06/06 08:21 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel 400NitroExpress   07/06/06 12:24 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel armbar   06/06/06 08:11 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel new_guy   01/04/05 01:16 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel mstarling   01/04/05 02:18 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel mickey   01/04/05 03:32 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel CptCurlAdministrator   31/03/05 09:52 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel CFA   01/04/05 04:40 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel NE450No2   01/04/05 07:49 AM
. * * The pressure curve... tinker   01/04/05 08:58 AM
. * * Re: The pressure curve... JudgeG   01/04/05 09:32 AM
. * * Re: The pressure curve... CFA   01/04/05 10:27 AM
. * * Re: The pressure curve... mickey   01/04/05 12:31 PM
. * * Re: The pressure curve... Will   02/04/05 10:07 AM
. * * Re: The pressure curve... CFA   02/04/05 12:24 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel CptCurlAdministrator   01/04/05 08:56 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel NE450No2   01/04/05 09:49 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel bonanza   01/04/05 07:57 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel NE450No2   01/04/05 08:03 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel Chasseur   01/04/05 01:05 AM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel Rusty   31/03/05 07:53 PM
. * * Re: My Holland .500/.465 blew a barrel NitroXAdministrator   31/03/05 08:54 PM

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