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Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?
02/05/16 07:14 AM

gallipliphile, Within this thread, 4seventy wrote: "The action is of the assisted opening type."
Rockdoc wrote: "The self opening action is, like Purdey's, a bit of a knack to close."
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Rockdoc is correct, while 4seventy is not. It is, indeed, a self opener; not an assisted opener. Many guys consider the self opener the same as an assisted opener, but they are not the same. Many more guys don't know the difference between the two, though they should learn, and stop spreading wrong information on websites.
Many people, including some who should know better, get self openers and easy openers confused; some don't know the difference between the two. A self opener springs open just as smartly after firing, as it does when locks are cocked; easy openers do not. Only four true self openers have ever been developed and made in numbers: 1. the first and most significant by Frederick Beesley (his first design used, of course, by Purdey right up to the present day); his second concept, a modification of his original design, used by Charles Lancaster (Lancaster modified it again later, so at that time it became strictly a spring cocker with no cocking levers, 2. Holland & Holland design that was adaptable to boxlock or sidelock, 3. The Charles Rossen design, almost as adaptable as the H & H design. 4. the rarest design of all, by Gough Thomas. Naturally, other gunmakers made self openers, but most are variations of the Rossen concept. The Beesley design stands alone in being completely integral with the mechanics of the action and lockwork. It is unique in the way he integrated the functions of opening and cocking---all other systems use separate mechanisms that have no other function. It was a brilliantly integrated system, three separate and different functions, cocking, firing, and opening, ALL ACTIVATED BY A SINGLE SPRING, THE MAINSPRING within the action! References to the original Beesley/Purdey concept in many standard reference books are not accurate: J.H. Walsh, The Modern Sportsman Gun and Rifle, W.W. Greener in The Gun and its Development, Sir Gerald Burrard in The Modern Shotgun ALL GOT IT WRONG. Gough Thomas got it right, in his Second Gun Book of 1972.

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Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	12/04/16 11:07 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	doubleriflejack	02/05/16 07:14 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	4seventy	02/05/16 10:14 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	doubleriflejack	03/05/16 05:29 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	NitroX	03/05/16 07:57 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	WildCattle	20/04/16 02:06 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	NitroX	21/04/16 01:44 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	NitroX	21/04/16 01:59 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Huvius	21/04/16 03:55 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	NitroX	21/04/16 04:04 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	21/04/16 05:18 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	NitroX	03/05/16 08:02 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Rockdoc	21/04/16 06:46 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	21/04/16 07:25 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Wayne59	21/04/16 08:35 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	3DogMike	21/04/16 10:24 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Brithunter	23/04/16 08:05 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Rockdoc	24/04/16 10:49 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Rockdoc	21/04/16 10:19 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	4seventy	12/04/16 01:43 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	12/04/16 03:28 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	4seventy	13/04/16 03:13 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	NitroX	13/04/16 03:56 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	4seventy	14/04/16 12:52 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	93x64mm	16/04/16 08:14 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Rhodes	12/06/16 09:22 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Huvius	16/04/16 12:41 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Rockdoc	16/04/16 04:16 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	16/04/16 07:41 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Wayne59	16/04/16 11:29 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Huvius	16/04/16 11:47 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	NitroX	03/05/16 08:04 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Wayne59	03/05/16 12:50 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	stug	03/05/16 03:24 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	stug	03/05/16 07:22 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	05/05/16 02:04 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gryphon	03/05/16 06:25 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Rockdoc	18/04/16 01:14 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	14/04/16 08:39 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	lancaster	15/04/16 05:40 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	15/04/16 06:31 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Well_Well_Well	15/04/16 08:39 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Rockdoc	15/04/16 09:03 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	15/04/16 11:01 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Rockdoc	15/04/16 12:35 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	15/04/16 01:50 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Mike_Bailey	15/04/16 05:06 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	15/04/16 05:45 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	pondoro62	15/04/16 07:14 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	15/04/16 08:26 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	13/04/16 08:19 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Rockdoc	13/04/16 10:09 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Rockdoc	13/04/16 10:18 PM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	Wayne59	12/04/16 11:19 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	gallipliphile	12/04/16 11:32 AM
Re: Lancaster Double in.450 Rigby #2 ... value?	LesLeeSpeed	12/04/16 01:23 PM

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