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Nordmann
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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE
02/08/13 01:32 AM

I respect that everyone has the right to a different opinion, and for not wanting to be viewed at antagonistic or even arrogant, I would just like to explain my position on the subject of bolted safeties.

If I was having a new "Bespoke", "Deluxe" or "Best quality" double rifle made by Holland & Holland, J.Purdey or Hartmann & Weiss (as a dealer...more than a hunter) then I would request a bolted safety amongst other things, including sling swivels, flip over front sight with removable sight cover, articulated triggers, rolled edged trigger guards, side clips, etc etc

The same applies if I am buying a used best gun for resale, I would like to see that there is a bolted safety present.

I would request it, or desire it, not particularly because I am a big fan of them, as NitroX perfectly points out there is no need for a safety on a safety, but because when you come to sell a double rifle its a bit like selling a car. All the extras count, and if something is not included then there is always a cause for discussion which usually ends with a reduction of price. One thing is for sure, I have never been offered more for a rifle because it does not have a bolted safety.

On a number of occasions I have bought a double rifle where the bolted safety was missing because the owner rightly or wrongly chose to remove it, even though one was fitted from new. Usually I find them packed somewhere in the case, so I always get them refitted prior to resale.

I have never removed a bolted safety to sell a rifle. However, when there is no bolted safety present, I have often heard clients comment that its a shame the rifle was not fitted with one from new.

In conclusion...personally I am not a fan of bolted safeties, (no doubt a few of you here will be very pleased to hear that) but I am a fan of air conditioning, electric windows, SIPS, ABS, and automatic gears as standard and I would never buy a new Bentley with a manual gearbox, but I could live without the gold plated grill and wheels!

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James Etherington-Thorpe - a man's reputation can be known by his words. Read Mr Thorpe's comments and judge his character by his own words and attitudes.

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Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	30/07/13 12:57 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	30/07/13 01:00 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	30/07/13 01:08 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	30/07/13 01:12 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	30/07/13 01:15 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	doubleriflejack	30/07/13 05:30 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Even	30/07/13 03:00 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Matabele	30/07/13 08:13 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	30/07/13 11:19 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Nordmann	31/07/13 12:31 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Huvius	02/08/13 01:40 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	02/08/13 01:49 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Nordmann	02/08/13 02:23 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Huvius	02/08/13 04:24 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Igorrock	02/08/13 02:47 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Yochanan	04/08/13 04:47 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Nordmann	04/08/13 06:05 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	13/10/14 09:59 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Ash	14/10/14 06:00 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	14/10/14 06:33 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	14/10/14 06:34 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Mike_Bailey	14/10/14 06:48 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	14/10/14 08:16 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	02/08/13 03:33 AM
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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	02/08/13 05:47 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Nordmann	02/08/13 09:16 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Mike_Bailey	01/08/13 09:26 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Nordmann	01/08/13 11:00 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Mike_Bailey	01/08/13 11:50 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Igorrock	01/08/13 11:49 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	01/08/13 11:50 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	01/08/13 11:48 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Rell	01/08/13 09:34 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	31/07/13 01:18 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	01/08/13 01:11 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Nordmann	01/08/13 07:10 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	01/08/13 03:19 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Nordmann	31/07/13 01:47 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	doubleriflejack	31/07/13 05:24 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	31/07/13 05:28 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Huvius	31/07/13 06:07 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Rhodes	31/07/13 03:32 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Igorrock	31/07/13 06:23 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	31/07/13 06:34 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Huvius	31/07/13 11:23 PM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	01/08/13 07:24 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	01/08/13 07:28 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Nordmann	01/08/13 07:42 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	NitroX	02/08/13 12:08 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Igorrock	02/08/13 12:33 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Nordmann	02/08/13 01:32 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	01/08/13 07:59 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Matabele	01/08/13 12:36 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	CZ_hunter	01/08/13 06:57 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	01/08/13 07:12 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Matabele	01/08/13 12:36 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	31/07/13 06:12 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Nordmann	31/07/13 08:06 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	31/07/13 08:12 AM
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Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	500Nitro	31/07/13 09:07 AM
Re: Joh. Outschar & Sohn Sidelock - .375 flanged, .470 NE	Nordmann	31/07/13 10:17 AM

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