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By the way, lancaster, I agree the Russian direction seems effective and simple. As for the ranging loss, I doubt that is a serious flaw. Compromises must be made, and certain the rounds will shoot with adequate velocity and energy out to 50 meters or more, ranges beyond which any pistol round is of dubious value.

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I understand where you are coming from 9.3x57 when making the limited effective range statement, but students of old Elmer might disagree as to effective range of either pistol or revolver. Of course, they are not "Average" in any way.

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True, but the terminal effectiveness of ALL service pistols degrades so fast past 50 meters that the ability to hit with them is much offset by what the bullet is capable of when it gets there, especially when referring to penetration of body armor, helmets, and etc.

Even the best in armor punchers currently issued have very low sectional densities and do not hold that performance very far out.

Now, of course, if all you are armored with is a chest of feathers, well, beware!

I brought my son to meet the late Bob Hagel who told us of a time he and Elmer were scouting some elk country when the kicked up a ruffed grouse that flew across a meadow and landed just inside the treeline, a later measured 125 long paces away. Elmer saw it, and drew his 4" .44 and...from the saddle...fired one shot, killing the grouse.

I think all of us pistolero wannabees have made some pretty good shots on small stuff, grouse, ground squirrels, woodchucks, etc, but Hagel told me Elmer was pretty darn good. Tho...when I asked him about the famous 750 yard mulie kill with the .44, he smiled, and said just maybe Elmer was exaggerating.....a lot...

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