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CZ makes or made the Model 527 in 7.62x39.

Been told that some of the military laquered steel case ammo is marked corrosively primed - others not.

I'm not against the ctg., just "in use that is perhaps that above it's station".

I do not see it as a 300yard ctg. for anything, let alone 300meters. At 100, with something other than a semi-auto, like the CZ, I can see it as a small deer or small pig round. I would not go purposely hunting black bears with one as I prefer more gun - that's a positive.

I have a rifle, chambered for a round I'd come up with back in 1982 that I called the .30/03 (or .30/35) (based on a shortened .303 or .35 Rem case = same base diameter) The rimmed for a magnum bolt, the rimless for a standard bolt.

I used the top 1 1/2" of a .30/06 reamer to cut the chamber. It is quite similar to the 7.62x39, as it is short, but has a .308" groove diameter to use standard bullets and a 12" twist all in a 1.6" long case.

The one I developed puts a 125gr. Speer out at 2,950fps, a 165gr. bullet out at 2,460fps & a 180gr. bullet out at 2,250fps. I have always considered this to be a 300yard Deer, black bear-caribou type of round, OK for moose and elk to about 150yards, maybe 200. This rifle makes sub 1/2" groups with all bullet weights at 100 meters.

It is considerably more powderful than the 7.62X39's 123gr. at 2,300fps(or less).

The standard comparrison is to a .30/30 - lets have a look, shall we?

A 30/30 can put a 170gr. bullet out a 20" barrel at 2,200fps to 2,330fps at 40,500CUP from a 24" bl. Richard Lee's handloading book shows 125gr. at 2,643fps producing 35,4000CUP & 150gr. at 2,450fps at 40,600CUP - a far cry from the 7.62x39 I think, but then, that's just me, sometimes a stickler for the smaller details like actual ballistics delivered.

In the .308" calibre, 125gr. and lighter bullets are used mostly for target shooting, bench rest or position competition at short ranges in the .30 BR, .308x1 1/2-type ctgs. or for shooting gophers using same ctgs. or others like the .308 and .30/06 by those who use the same guns for competition - I was one of those way back, using 110gr. Sierras and 125gr. Speers in my .308, then .30 BR, then this 'new' .30/03. The big game bullets pretty much started at 130gr., a Spire point made by Hornady, but these, due to soft jackets, were small deer bullets and were also designed for .30 cal. rifle ctg. in pistols - simply put, they were bullets for shooting runt deer, like in Texas.

After hearing all the stories about how tough hogs are, and after shooting the SKS round at the range, I'd be inclined to not hunt hogs with one. 100 pounds or less - I guess OK, 300 pounds with teeth - let me think this through - uh, no? could it be done, yes - the question for me, is should it be done?

Please pass me a real rifle chambered for a big game round. sorry - 7.62x39's are not my cup of tea when big game is on the menue. I see them as novelty rounds & guns, as in "lets see if I can kill THIS animal with THIS round - got to be careful now & make a perfect shot."

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Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

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