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DUGABOY1
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Re: .458wm
14/08/04 11:24 PM

4seventy , we are on the same page, you and I, but one of us is reading it backwards!

I concur the 458 can be made to shoot the way you say TODAY , and all I'm saying is, in the beginning, the cartridge did not live up to Winchester's claims! It is imaterial whether other cartridges did or not, that doesn't change the fact that the 458 WM did not! Addtionally, after the factory ammo was loaded for some months, it produced squib loads, and hang fires because of the factory makeing loads the crushed the powder charges, efectivly turning the powder into a solid block of powder that did not burn properly. My contention is, if there was that much problem with the cartridge when it was first made, why was this not fixed before production? At that time the only way to fix the 458WM, by a handloader, was to reduce the powder load, and reduce the weight of the bullet, because the powders were not available to do otherwise. The other fix, and the simplest one,for the factory, was to increase the powder capacity,of the case,the same way LOTT fixed the 458 with the wildcat 458 LOTT, by useing the full length 375 H&H brass! Necessity is the father of invention!

It is my opinion, regardless, if it takes 50 yrs to get reliable factory ammo, that comes close the factory claims, then, it would seem there was some sereous flaws in the design.

None of this has anything to do with what can be done today, but the cartridge did take some years of fixing,that could have all been avoided by simply makeing the case a little larger in the first place! Wouldn't you agree with that?

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.458wm	PP_skåne	23/07/04 09:24 AM
Re: .458wm	atkinson6	13/10/04 12:23 PM
Re: .458wm	ThomasEdwards	27/11/04 12:51 PM
Re: .458wm	mickey	23/07/04 11:17 AM
Re: .458wm	Geronimo	24/07/04 07:39 AM
Re: .458wm	mickey	25/07/04 11:34 AM
Re: .458wm	Ingwe	26/07/04 01:26 PM
Re: .458wm	atkinson6	28/07/04 06:12 AM
Re: .458wm	mickey	28/07/04 09:20 AM
Re: .458wm	Ingwe	28/07/04 09:49 AM
Re: .458wm	Con	29/07/04 01:21 PM
Re: .458wm	Ingwe	29/07/04 01:28 PM
Re: .458wm	PP_skåne	30/07/04 11:34 AM
Re: .458wm	DUGABOY1	08/08/04 03:07 AM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	27/11/04 11:08 AM
Re: .458wm	PP_skåne	10/08/04 07:14 PM
Re: .458wm	DUGABOY1	12/08/04 03:10 AM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	30/11/04 01:06 AM
Re: .458wm	PP_skåne	12/08/04 09:13 AM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	12/08/04 08:41 AM
Re: .458wm	400NitroExpress	28/11/04 10:11 AM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	28/11/04 03:52 PM
Re: .458wm	DUGABOY1	13/08/04 02:37 AM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	14/08/04 09:18 AM
Re: .458wm	DUGABOY1	14/08/04 11:24 PM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	15/08/04 08:13 AM
Re: .458wm	DUGABOY1	15/08/04 11:07 AM
Re: .458wm	atkinson6	04/09/04 05:06 AM
Re: .458wm	wombat	05/09/04 03:04 PM
Re: .458wm	DONOTDELETE	06/09/04 02:03 PM
Re: .458wm	mickey	07/09/04 03:22 AM
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Re: .458wm	atkinson6	19/09/04 03:00 AM
Re: .458wm	wombat	27/11/04 11:48 AM
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Re: .458wm	cooch	19/09/04 10:59 PM
Re: .458wm	Will	06/09/04 05:43 AM
Re: .458wm	mudbug	05/09/04 12:59 PM
Re: .458wm	Will	05/09/04 02:11 PM
Re: .458wm	jgttechjunkie	05/09/04 06:10 AM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	13/08/04 07:44 AM
Re: .458wm	PP_skåne	13/08/04 08:28 AM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	13/08/04 04:59 PM
Re: .458wm	PP_skåne	15/08/04 03:14 AM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	15/08/04 09:04 AM
Re: .458wm	Con	12/08/04 01:22 PM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	11/08/04 08:24 AM
Re: .458wm	DUGABOY1	11/08/04 02:42 AM
Re: .458wm	PP_skåne	11/08/04 07:59 AM
Re: .458wm	DUGABOY1	12/08/04 02:17 AM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	08/08/04 08:39 AM
Re: .458wm	DUGABOY1	09/08/04 03:26 AM
Re: .458wm	4seventy	09/08/04 05:10 PM
Re: .458wm	DUGABOY1	10/08/04 12:54 AM
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Re: .458wm	4seventy	09/08/04 04:58 PM
Re: .458wm	jgttechjunkie	08/08/04 09:55 AM
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Re: .458wm	PP_skåne	23/07/04 06:13 PM

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