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Re: Proof... once again
      28/10/10 06:13 AM

imho the people at the London proofhouse did know pretty well what they were doing! Since 1895 the Brits used the "Woolwich" or "oiled case system" to determine their "tons per square inch" pressures. In the April 1967 issue of THE AMERICAN RIFLEMAN Roy G. Goodman described this system. The pics are from this article just to save them. Instead of bleeding off some gas through a hole in the barrel to a piston , which in turn deforms a copper crusher (cup) or works on an electronic transducer, the Brits used the cartridge case as the piston. The case worked on a moveable breech, which rested on a copper crusher.


Tons per square inch were then calculated from the force needed to deform the crusher and the base area of the case. The photo shows the "bolthead", the breechblock and crushers new and deformed by various grades of pressure.



The Woolwich system required an oiled cartridge case to preclude friction between cartridge and chamber walls. Using a case and chamber free of oil only gave about two thirds of the "true" pressure readouts. If the case was oiled, case shape had no influence on breech pressure! The pic shows the breechblock and a can of oil in front of the pressure test gun.



The military proof of .303 Lee-Enfields consisted of firing one "blue pill" proofload and one service load with an oiled case. Rifles that stood the proofcharge sometimes failed on the oiled service cartridge. So I think the guys at the London proofhouse know much more about pressures, case shape and oil viscosity than other members of this forum.
BTW, German proofhouses without a proper proof cartridge in a pinch simply heated a service cartridge to 80 degrees Celsius and used this as a "proofload".
2nd BTW, due to even more inertia the Woolwich system gives only about 80% of the pressure readout of the Rodman copper crusher (cup) system. So it is not possible to simply convert "tons per square inch" to cup or psi or bar using a pocket calculator!

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. * * Re: Proof... once again 450_366   30/10/10 03:04 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again oupa   30/10/10 04:39 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again tinker   26/12/10 06:48 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again DarylS   30/10/10 06:35 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again GroovyMike   30/10/10 07:10 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again Brithunter   14/12/10 10:33 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again DarylS   26/12/10 05:47 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again oupa   25/12/10 03:12 PM
. * * Re: Proof... once again 4seventy   27/10/10 03:41 PM
. * * Re: Proof... once again kamilaroi   27/10/10 06:58 PM
. * * Re: Proof... once again oupa   28/10/10 03:26 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again DarylS   28/10/10 03:57 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again kuduae   28/10/10 06:13 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again kuduae   28/10/10 06:49 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again Huvius   28/10/10 07:36 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again 4seventy   28/10/10 08:33 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again kuduae   29/10/10 07:46 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again 4seventy   29/10/10 08:26 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again 4seventy   29/10/10 08:45 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again DarylS   29/10/10 10:21 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again kuduae   28/10/10 08:10 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again 4seventy   28/10/10 12:58 PM
. * * Re: Proof... once again oupa   29/10/10 03:31 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again kuduae   29/10/10 07:39 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again DarylS   29/10/10 03:30 AM
. * * Re: Proof... once again kuduae   28/10/10 08:43 AM

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