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Re: OSR thread - quick poll
      25/02/10 01:37 PM

There is a drive-band bullet that is not listed in this poll, but should be: The 'Möller KJG'.

It was originally inspired by GS Custom bullets, but nowadays employs a different grade of copper from which it is turned, and very thin, angled drive-bands. Some models do also employ a plastic ballistic tip to aid expansion.

Apart from these drive-bands, nothing is displaced on these bullets anymore (early models, which were very close in appearance to GSC, were still subject to some main-body engraving). I have inspected and shot newer-model KJGs and GSCs in comparison: The KJGs are of generally better manufacturing quality, and do not have to rely on moly-coating. I don't like moly and am shooting GSC without it - uncoated, they did still create less pressure then regular bullets in my gun, but not by much. The KJGs (which come uncoated as a rule) do however create significantly less pressure). For people who want to try monos for one reason or another, I would rate them as less problematic in regard to barrel wear then all others, regular bullets included. As for precision: In my .404, they shoot consistently better then 1/4 MAO. As they are that slick in going through the barrel, I could easily load my .404 into .458 Lott territory without any pressure issues, and recoil as soft as the .404s (lame) traditional loads. However, whether he still does African caliber bullets, I don't know - at the time I ordered mine, they were custom order only. They also make GSC bullets look cheap, and the chap (a German Physicist) is known as being a bit abrasive. The bullets are worth a try however. At the time, he also did is own version of a hydrostatic bullet (like Woodleigh now) which looked quite futuristic and was successfully employed on Elephant by a guy that had ordered and used them in .577 Tyrannosaurus Rex (at ungodly speeds, had seen the load data then).

Here is a link to them, scroll down the page a bit and you will clearly see that those bullets have the thinnest of bands, and that nothing else gets engraved. As the site is mainly in German, let me tell you that when you see other bullets with different engraving patterns, that these were early models. He also follows a different philosophy - speed over weight - so do not be surprised to see Australian water buffalo and cape buffalo shot (successfully) with 150 grain bullets in cal. 9.3x62.

http://lutz-moeller-jagd.de/ (Go to this URL, then select '10,3mm' from the left-hand menu and scroll down - you will find pictures of fired (new model ) bullets there)

Edited by 404bearslayer (25/02/10 01:54 PM)

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. * * Re: OSR thread - quick poll 9.3x57   18/02/10 05:30 AM
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. * * Re: OSR thread - quick poll 404bearslayer   21/02/10 02:56 PM
. * * Re: OSR thread - quick poll tinker   21/02/10 03:37 PM
. * * Re: OSR thread - quick poll Gerard   23/02/10 02:09 AM
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. * * Re: OSR thread - quick poll 404bearslayer   25/02/10 01:37 PM
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