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Gentlemen, I apologise for anything I said that caused anyone to have a stroke! I'll be leaving this website after this post.

Regardless of what Barnes says about their solids being safe in double rifles,I wouldn't expect them to do otherwise, because the bean counters who answer the phone there is not going to know anything about double rifles. If they told 9.3X57 that they use several double rifle to test their soilds, they are not telling the truth, because they are not going to buy several double rifle to do it, and nobody with any sense who owns doubles is going to let them use thiers. Suffice to say if you care anything about your double rifle you will not use any mono-metal solid or hollow point that doesn't have pressure rings cut into the shank properly. The $50 bounty not withsatanding I have seen barrels damaged personally by the use of mono-matal solids.

One example was posted on AR by a man who bought a Chapuis double rifle, and used Barnes super solids in his loads. In less than 10 shots his rifle suddenly lost all regulation. On inspecting the rifle he found that his barrels had come un-soldered from the ribs, and regulation wedges. He promptly sent the rifle back to Chapuis, and they fixe the rifle re-regulating it and re-soldering it an sending it back. The guy promptly went back to the range useing the same load. In a short time it happened again. However when he sent the rifle back to chapuis, they questioned him as to what loads he was useing. When they found out he was useing mono-metal solids he was told they would fix the rifle, but if he used the mono-metals again he was on his own. Tht thread can be found with a little effort by doing a search of a few years back. The owner of thet rifle may be posting here as well, but I can't remember his screen name, but he surely will if you ask for him to reply on over stressed rifleing, and use of mono-metal bullets in double rifles.

One of the members of the DRSS has a Ferlach double rifle made in 1926 chambered for 470 NE, that has pressed out rifleing on the barrel caused by the use of hard bullets according to JJ Parideau the Belgian trained double rifle expert, and partner at Champlin's in Enid Oklahoma. I would say JJ has more expertiese on double rifles that anyone at Barnes, or anyone posting on this thread, so pick the one you want to believe. The owner of that rifle Is Paul H. posting there by the screen name of 577 Nitro Express. I am one of the four founding members of the DRSS (Double Rifle Shooter's Society) www.doublerifleshooterssociety.com The website is in construction but the rifle in question is pictured there.

Your question about the use of common pressure sign on the cases to show you need to back off, the reason I posted on that subject here is because that practice was mentioned in this thread and this thread is about a double rifle, that if you load till you get pressure sign on the case, in a double rifle you have gone over pressure, and that is a very damageing thing it that platform. Most folks never use a cronograph, but a lot of people depend on those visible signs of pressure on the case/primer. All I'm saying is loading for a double rifle is a whole different ball game than with any other type rifle. The double rifle advice is worth to you exactly what you are paying for it, but if you disregard it, it may cost you considerably more!

It seems no matter the club you attend, it is a mistake to try to correct some missconceptions commonly held by the members, and perhaps I came on a little strong in this little clubhouse, but I simply get tired of people giving generic load advice for all rifles. BE cause this was a thred about a double rifle, LOUD was the way to get people to hear that the common missconceptions about loading double rifle are fostered by those who onluy load for other types. The fact that a flat primer is acceptable in a bolt rifle or a good lever action as a sign that you may be geting close to the top is not the same when dealing with a double rifle.

I'll be leaving this web-site now, to the poster who asked about the Biakal double, enjoy your new rifle, but do some thinking before you accept loads from folks who know next to nothing about loading for double rifles!

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DUGABOY1, and MacD37 founding member of DRSS www.doublerifleshooterssociety.com
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