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Re: Let's have some fun.
11/10/09 08:34 AM

This was originally a Joseph Lang boxlock .470 from 1913. Lang was owned by the Webley brothers, as in "Webley & Scott". This rifle was Webley's PHV-1 Model - their plain grade boxlock - finished by Webley and retailed by Lang.

Here's the normal finish of a stock standard, border engraved Webley PHV-1, these built for Lang (these can be enlarged):

http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh...SaleSectionNo=1

Border engraving was standard, but a full pattern was available. Here it is on a PHV-1 built for William Evans:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/conten...erarchyId=10473

The patterns on the action bars were always the same for both patterns, but could differ on the fences depending on the style of fence ordered, and Webley mixed up patterns slightly on the floor plates.

For example, from the same site, here is another engraved PHV-1 built for Manton of Calcutta. Notice the fence shape.
http://www.pugsguns.com/findItem.action?id=1741

If you look closely at the Manton, it's actually a stock standard engraved PHV-1. The only difference is that the standard Webley pattern is gold-filled. This specific model (with gold filled engraving) was advertised in Manton's catalogue. This rifle could even be the model for the engraving in the catalogue. Wood has been refinished, but the rest could be original.

Someone has tried to tart-up this Lang instead of restoring it. Nothing here is original. A complete restock was poorly done in an entirely non-original style. Not British. Has a Ferlachy flavor to it. Chequering is completely wrong. Any original engraving was polished off, the action annealed, and new "engraving" (if you want to call it that) was done. No way to tell from the photos, but may not have been re-carburized. Non-original, non-period case with the wrong trade label. Those are the high spots. Doesn't even begin to qualify as a restoration, let alone an upgrade. Quality of work is a detriment of value. Would have been better to have left it alone. Another British DR falls victim to fools.

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Let's have some fun.	470evans	10/10/09 12:01 PM
Re: Let's have some fun.	bonanza	12/10/09 02:30 PM
Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	11/10/09 08:34 AM
Re: Let's have some fun.	kamilaroi	11/10/09 10:22 AM
Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	11/10/09 11:20 AM
Re: Let's have some fun.	zimhunter	11/10/09 10:34 AM
Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	11/10/09 12:06 PM
Re: Let's have some fun.	500Nitro	11/10/09 10:58 AM
Re: Let's have some fun.	Omnivorous_Bob	11/10/09 11:32 AM
Re: Let's have some fun.	zimhunter	11/10/09 12:12 PM
Re: Let's have some fun.	DUGABOY1	13/10/09 11:45 AM
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Re: Let's have some fun.	DUGABOY1	14/10/09 08:23 AM
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Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	14/10/09 09:59 AM
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Re: Let's have some fun.	mckinney	14/10/09 01:35 PM
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Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	14/10/09 01:43 PM
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Re: Let's have some fun.	500Nitro	14/10/09 10:05 AM
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Re: Let's have some fun.	500Nitro	11/10/09 12:51 PM
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Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	11/10/09 12:35 PM
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Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	12/10/09 08:18 AM
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Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	12/10/09 12:32 PM
Re: Let's have some fun.	zimhunter	12/10/09 12:53 PM
Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	12/10/09 01:48 PM
Re: Let's have some fun.	zimhunter	13/10/09 06:43 AM
Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	13/10/09 10:47 AM
Re: Let's have some fun.	bigdog	12/10/09 03:24 AM
Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	11/10/09 04:01 PM
Re: Let's have some fun.	zimhunter	11/10/09 04:30 PM
Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	10/10/09 01:38 PM
Re: Let's have some fun.	500Nitro	10/10/09 04:45 PM
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Re: Let's have some fun.	400NitroExpress	11/10/09 02:45 AM
Re: Let's have some fun.	DUGABOY1	11/10/09 03:04 AM
Re: Let's have some fun.	450_366	11/10/09 06:53 AM
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