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That is a very good idea with this little double rifle. That is if you want a one in either of these chamberings. I wouldn't want it in either chambering. They are listed by the makers to only be proofed for very mild loads. The 30-06 is a rimless cartridge, and therefore not the best choice for all North American game in a double rifle, for all the deer it is fine. Daryl's implied use of this rifle for a guide gun to stop wounded big game of North America, would be fine chambered for the 45-70 (as he states with proper loads) However the Biakal is not proofed for the loads he is thinking about. So in that use this rifle is out as well IMO. Again, IMO, this rifle should be limited to non-dangerous game no more dangerous than an unwounded large black bear in 45-70, and it and the rimless disqualifies the 30-06 in a double rifle for anything wounded. This little rifle would make a fine little handy 30-30 for hunting of North America's deer species in thick woods, and even black bear over bait.

I think when you state that the 45-70 is equal to the 375 H&H you have just said the 45-70 is a dangerous game cartridge! To back that statement up someone quoted Frank C. Barnes C.O.T.W. as proof of the value of loading the 45-70's use on dangerous game, stateing further that frank didn't offer the same advice for the 375 H&H! Well is that any suprise? No such thing needs to be said about the 375H&H, because it is a dangerous game cartridge, and needs no heavier loading data to make it so.

Anyone who has a modicum of knowledge of firearms loading knows the you never take any load advice from "Cartridges Of The World" , especially for use in a double rifle, without a very heavy grain of salt. There are more mistakes in all the editions of C.O.T.W than any book ever written on the subject.

I have no problem with this little rifle in either chambering being used for general HUNTING, but a stopping rifle it certainly IS NOT in either chambering. The Pedersoli, OTH, will take far heavier loads than the Biakal,and can be used for what Daryl is thinking of as a use to STOP wounded large North American animals, but I wouldn't include the Coastal brown bear in this use even with the Pedersoli chambered for the 45-70. Though the Pedersoli can handle higher pressure loads, it will not stand loads as heavy as the Marlin Guide gun can. I have one of these doubles re-chambered for the 458RCBS, and it will just come in under the minimum for the Brown bears. A friend of mine (PWN375)who posts here on occasion, had one re-chambered for the 450NE #2 and it does fine on even cape buffalo, and is in fact owned today by a PH in Africa.

I simply think these very optimistic threads on the 45-70 are dangerous to the young guys who think anything they read on one of these hunting web-sites is the word of GOD. And when a person states the 45-70 with a particular load is equal to the 375H&H without a disclaimer that states that load is only to be used in rifle far stronger than the Biakal double rifle, is IMO, a dangerous habit! This was my whole disagreement with this thread because it was mixed in a thread about a weak little double rifle without any explanation.

If used for general hunting both the chamberings, with factory ammo or equivalent, are OK in the Biakal but not with loads that come any place close to being equal to a 375 H&H magnum!

........................SOooooooooooo I guess we will simply have to agree to dis agree, and we certainly do!

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