Nitrox , I missed that before & yes I have a Tag copy (knock off) my girl friend got me in Thailand , been going for 8yrs (not her, shes gone) now & works well , looks good (did,worn now, so's she) but not really a outdoor watch !
Thank you Pigeon , but a fair way out of my budget,even if it is great !
I have been looking at Timex Expedition /Camper/Military & Casio Pathfinder , seems straps are the problem on most of them !